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Snooth User: Stephen Harvey

Aussie Wine in the US

Original post by Stephen Harvey, Feb 7, 2017.

I am hoping to get some input on what Aussie wine the Snooth Community is seeing on the shelves [either retail or restaurants] in your local areas.

US wine in Australia is still very much limited to the bigger wine companies eg

Argyle Pinot Noir

Stags Leap

Berringer

Etude

Occasionly the big guns from Napa will appear on the Auction Sites.

I am always happy to give any recommendations if you are looking for an Aussie experience

Now I am back doing some posting I will keep my eye out for US wines over here and see if any you think are worth me having a look at.

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, May 25, 2017.

Round 3  - The Bordelais

Firstly - The French know how to charge!!!

But - they do make some seriously good stuff

My comments need to be prefaced by the fact the Bordeaux all have age which makes comparison with others challenging

Latour 3rd wine - 2010 Great vintage very good  55%CS 44.5% M 0.5%CF having had the pleasure of drinking a 53 Latour a couple of years ago I can understand how they can produce such a good 3rd Wine and at AUD200 it needs to be.  Lots of black current flavours and unmistakemly Bordeaux

Priere-Lichine Margaux 2005 again a great vintage year and an excellent wne definitely showing the more floral nature of the Margaux wines but with excellent depth  a beautiful drink blend not disclosed.  Pricey at AUD200

Montrose 2005 - Awesome St Estephe wine Blend not disclosed

I loved this wine and it was a toss up with the Palmer - This is probably my preference on style adnthe slight raspberry overtone worked for me - Expensive here at AUD585

Palmer 2000 - another great Bordeaux Vintage probably about 50/50 CS and M with a bit of PV

Seriously good wine which shows the benefit of 17 years in the bottle - but AUD850 well......if you can afford it why not [although I can get 82 and 86 Leoville Las Cases for AUD500-600 at auction so rather spend silly money there]

With a very rich pressed lamb just an amazing set

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, May 25, 2017.

Round 4 - and now for all of my Snooth US colleagues - the US set

Firstly - if I get any Geography worng please correct me

Secondly - based on my research 12 and 13 were excellent vintage years for CS

Thirdly  - yes all a bit young but at least with 4-5 years they have had some time to settle

Fourthly - A really great group

Fifthly - interested in pricing over there these guys are not the cheapest in Australia but if they are the distributor then I am stuck with them

Matthiasson Oak Knoll 2012

Certainly a very powerful CS which certainly was more in the cherry flavour range with some good oak treatment - really would like to see this around 2022 but very enjoyable I really rated this wine and at AUD150 seemed to be about where i might have pitched it.  Happy to have some in the cellar

Mount Brave 2012 [Mt Verdeer]

A very good CS with plenty of power really liked the berry overtones in the fruit at AUD185 it just seemed to lack a bit of finesse I would expect from a great vintage at that price point

Mount Eden CS [Santa Cruz Mountains] 2012

CS 78 M 10 cf 10 PV 2

Definitely my favourite, seriously good wine great depth no hole in the middle feels like it will age well, around AUD100 here but I certainly thought it outperformed the first 2 on both absolute flavour and certainly value for money.  Would be happy to have a couple of these floating around in the cellar

Stonestreet Estate 2013 [Alexander Valley]

Solid CS Probably my least favourite of the set but still a good CS - just seemed to lack the power of the others

AUD85 seems a bit pricey for what it delivered

Overall the Matthhiasson and the Mount Eden were excellent wine and well worth the having but I would be interested on everyone elses viewpoints [I am sure Big Al must have tried them all recently]

 

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Reply by dmcker, May 26, 2017.

Mount Eden was what I considered the class of the flight before your notes, Stephen. Has done a good job for a very long time, now.

Thanks for all the notes and the heads up on the Aussie wines, particularly. Just wish they were more readily available nearby.

Your Bordeaux notes very much parallel my sensibilities.

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Reply by dmcker, May 26, 2017.

BTW, any comments on these: the wines, the vintages and the indicated prices?

 

Australia/New Zealand Collection

  1. Jamsheed, Syrah, Helasville "Hill Paddock Vineyard" 2010  $45/5,000 JPY
  2. Penfolds GSM Bin 138-Old Vines, Barossa Valley $440/4,500 JPY
  3. Vasse Felix, Shiraz, Margaret River, 2000 $30/3,100 JPY
  4. Tin Shed, Shiraz, Barossa Valley "Single Wire Vineyard" $45/5,000 JPY
  5. DePortoli, Semillion Botryis, NSW 2008 $40/5,000 JPY
  6. Silini Porriture Nobel, Hawkes Bay 2001  $25/3,000 JPY
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Reply by Stephen Harvey, May 28, 2017.

Jamshed should be drinking nicely 45 is ok price Healsville is part of Yarra Valley so expect a more savoury shiraz than with barossa

Penfolds Vintage? price ok if it is NOT 00,03,07,08,09,11

Vasse Felix would be a risk but for 30 maybe it is their standard and 17 years for a Margaret River SHiraz in a stretch

Tin Shed again good Barossa SHiraz but vintage important same as penfolds above

DeBortoli - is it the Noble 1? if it is it is the best sticky we make in this country, compares well with Sauternes other than the top end [an obviously d'Yquem] price ok if it is the Noble 1

Don't know the Silini

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Reply by dmcker, May 28, 2017.

Thanks, Stephen, useful info. Was wondering about those non-stated vintages myself. That list was how it was presented.

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Reply by rckr1951, May 31, 2017.

Stephen - Just had the 2013 Jim Barry "The Lodge Hill" Shiraz - Bigger that I thought it would be and it was very, very good.  Your thoughts - 

 

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, May 31, 2017.

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I have had a couple of these and yes probably agree bit bigger than expected from Clare - Barry's do tend to be a little bigger than others - If you see a Tim Adams Shiraz that would make a good comparison of style

Also depends where fruit has come from - Northern Clare can produce riper higher Beaumais/alcohol fruit and hence biger wines than from Watervale in the middle and Auburn in the South

Will check with them on where the 13 Fruit mainly came from

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Reply by rckr1951, Jun 23, 2017.

Had a 2012 Schild Estate Shiraz.  Have been buying this for awhile now and it's usually very solid - this was no different.

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Jun 27, 2017.

Schild are a good Barossa SHiraz

 

You may remember they created a stir some years ago when they won a global award with their 08 Shiraz but then created a contraversy when they did a second bottling from a different batch of wine

We discussed it on the forum back in 10/11

 

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Reply by rckr1951, Jun 27, 2017.

Yes I do remember both the wine and the tumult the 2nd bottling caused.  I had 3 bottles of the 1st bottling and after the broo-ha-ha started I ordered a couple of the 2nd.  It was definitely less than the the 1st for sure.  If I'm not mistaken I drank the last one in 2015.

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Reply by dmcker, Jul 9, 2017.

This is more CA food and wine in Oz, so opposite direction from the OP.

Stephen, do you ever make it up to Sydney? Someone was just singing me the praises of Fred's in Sydney's Paddington, just opened last year by a transplant from the CA classic in Berkeley Chez Panisse, Danielle Alvarez. Focusing on farm-to-table in an exceptional way, I heard. Would be curious how she does wine, too. If you every make it there would enjoy hearing your reactions.

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Jul 9, 2017.

Yes I had a couple of friends talk about Fred's over the weekend

I will probably head to Sydney in August for work so I will put it on my to do list up there

Its getting good reviews at the moment

 

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Reply by dmcker, Jul 28, 2017.

Stephen, any comments on the Aussie wines and their prices towards the top of this list?

 

 

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Dutraive (Domaine de la Grand Cour) 2015 Fleurie "Champagne" VV 
From vines averaging 70 years of age in the Dutraives' 1.5 hectare parcel "Champagne." Yields are extremely low, the wine ages in barrels for 12 months, of which one-quarter are new. The wine shows elegant aromas of ripe berry fruit and spice framed in a bit of oak, quite elegant. The palate is dense and well-structured with raspberry and red currant fruit, a bit more high-toned and focused at this point than the other Dutraive Fleuries. The fruit is quite pretty, and the wood, though present, is not overdone and adds support to the power of this vintage. We look forward to drinking this after six to ten years of aging, perhaps alongside the Coudert Griffe du Marquis? David Lillie   |  5 in stock  |  $36.99
 
Dutraive (Domaine de la Grand Cour) 2015 Fleurie Le Clos Vieilles Vignes 
From low-yielding 60 to 70 year-old vines. Wild-yeast semi-carbonic maceration, without addition of SO2, aged 11 months in 1 to 4 year old barrels. Pretty aromas of raspberry and strawberry liqueur with violet, graphite and brown spice, brightened with citrus and herbal notes. The palate is round and quite ripe and dense with earthy red and black fruits, and supports well the 14.5% alcohol. The finish is supple and long, with adequate structure for 5 to 8 years of  aging. It's quite different from the 2014 vintage but equally enjoyable in its ripe, opulent style and may be quite beautiful with a few years in the cellar. David Lillie   |  6 in stock  |  $31.99
 
Ducroux, Christian 2015 Vin de France Exspectatia 
 (We're getting to the end of Ducroux's complex and supernatural Exspectatia 2015 - be sure to grab some before it disapears. Happily we have 2015 Patience and 2016 Exspectatia on the way.)  Christian Ducroux' 5 hectare  estate has been certified organic and biodynamic since 1985, and has operated as a nearly self-sufficient farm, producing its own fertilizer and compost, and plowing and harvesting almost entirely without machinery. The vines average over 60 years of age and are replaced by massale selection, giving extremely low yields. The 2015 Exspectatia (the wine formerly known as Regnié) shows a deep opaque red/black color. Slight reduction, then vivid aromas of blackberry liqueur, blood orange, rose, black pepper, brown spices, earth and licorice. On the palate the wine is very complex with blackberry and red currant fruit, earth, spice and citrus with a long intense finish of black fruits and earth that lingers on the palate. Only 12.5% alcohol, even in this very ripe vintage. Bravo to Christian Ducroux for his beautiful farming and for this complex, expressive natural wine! Re-tasted in October 2016,  the wine showed beautifully, with remarkable complexity, intense aromas of ripe blackberry, violet, musk, pepper, licorice and earth, that continue with a dense, earthy texture on the palate. This is a living, changeable and profound wine of terroir that expresses the incredible farming and winemaking of Christian Ducroux - certainly  one of the finest natural wines of France.(Decanting advised, no added sulfur - consume on the day opened.)   |  5 in stock  |  $16.99
 
Foillard 2009 Morgon Côte du Py 1.5L 
A nice addition to your cellar — $62.99 with a mixed case!   |  1 in stock  |  $79.99
 
Foillard 2010 Fleurie    |  3 in stock  |  $49.99
 
Foillard 2011 Morgon Cote du Py   |  6 in stock  |  $36.99
 
Foillard 2012 Morgon Cote du Py    |  9 in stock  |  $43.99
 
Foillard 2012 Morgon Cuvee Corcelette   |  3 in stock  |  $44.99
 
Foillard 2014 Morgon Cuvée Corcelette   |  5 in stock  |  $39.99
 
Joubert 2014 Fleurie Vieilles Vignes   |  3 in stock  |  $24.99
 
Lapierre 2010 Morgon .375 L   |  2 in stock  |  $19.99
 
Lapierre 2011 Morgon Cuvee MMXI   |  2 in stock  |  $44.99
 
Lapierre 2014 Morgon "N" No added sulfur   |  5 in stock  |  $34.99
 
Lapierre 2015 Morgon 
Matthieu and Camille Lapierre continue the beautiful work of their father, producing an elegant Morgon in the difficult, very ripe 2015 vintage. The wine shows lovely deep aromas of blackberry liqueur and earth lifted by hints of citrus, violet and mint. The palate is ripe and supple with plum, blackberry, earth, spice  and citrus. The finish is ripe, soft and lovely. We would recommend drinking this juicy Morgon, served quite cool, over the next five years, but longer term aging might be possible as well.   |  8 in stock  |  $31.99
 
Métras, Yvon 2013 Moulin-à-Vent    |  9 in stock  |  $49.99
 
Métras, Yvon 2015 Fleurie    |  9 in stock  |  $44.99
 
 

 

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Jul 30, 2017.

D - Bests and Bindi

Both excellent family wine businesses

The 2 Bindi Chardonnays

08 - Composition my fear would be how well it has aged 08 was an ok but not great year

11 - Quartz - 11 was a generally poor Australian Vintage other than WA.  $40 is less than we pay for it, I think it would be worth the risk - if you see any 10,12,13 for around same price definitely worth a try as for the Composition

If you see the Bindi Block 5 Pinot I would be interested in your take on it

Bests

1993 Riesling - Under cork a risk and at 24 years probably past its best - again recent vitnges are OK I had a 15 2 weeks ago and was a very good drink made with good acid to age well and screw cap keeps it fresh

1982 Bin 0 - The Bin 0 is a very good regional shiraz and more Rhone than Barossa but 1982 was only an average vintage.  Look it could be a nice old shiraz if it has kept some freshness and not oxidised or fallen victim to the cork

 

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Reply by rckr1951, Jan 8, 2018.

Reviving an old thread - partly because Steve is someone whom hasn't been around for awhile and these arrived today:

The Thorn Clarke Shotfire Shiraz and the Torbreck Cuvee Juveniles. Both 2015's.

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Reply by rckr1951, Jan 19, 2018.

Nearly forgot to post this - had this last night also:

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Reply by rckr1951, Feb 3, 2018.

This is from another post, doing it hoping that if Stephen sees some activity he'll check it out:

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Reply by rckr1951, Feb 15, 2018.

These are the last 5 bottles of Aussie wine I received in the few weeks:

A couple of 2 Hands  on the outside, the 2015 Sexy Beast Cabby  and the 2016 Gnarly Dudes Shiraz.  2 Penfold's from the '15 vintage - The Bin 389 Shiraz/Cabby and the Bin 407 Cabernet Sauvignon and my current Crown jewel the 2013 Sir Henri Shiraz.

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Reply by rckr1951, Feb 16, 2018.

Just got another bottle of Torbreck to with my recent other purchases:



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