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Snooth User: wainscotbl

Do I need to replace my tonuge?

Posted by wainscotbl, Apr 23, 2015.

I think I know a decent enough about wine. But this year, not from any specific vintage or anything, but various wines, I have been getting "bad wine" I think so. Like tonight. ANd the last time. Different wines, different stores. And this has happened I guess two or three other times this year. The first couple of times I took the stuff back, but it has happened now so much that I am afraid to. I mean, I am pretty sure it is not just me and that I do not like the wine....these are wines I have had before and liked. The general thing I get is a sort of wet, old wood, like something out of your basement taste and same on the nose. I am just having a hard time beleiving it is happening so often!     


Reply by dvogler, Apr 23, 2015.


That's bad luck!  When you said "old wet wood", that sure seems like a corked bottle to me.  I am able to return these where I live.  Two times isn't very strange, but three is a little unlucky.  I think I've had one in the past year.  Try something you haven't had before!  :)

Reply by GregT, Apr 24, 2015.

I agree. I don't think it's your tonuge. I think your tonuge is fine. The aromas and flavors you describe sound like the result of bad corks. For some reason people refer to a wine so affected as being "corked", which is kind of silly when you think about it because a)most wines still use cork stoppers unfortunately so most wines are in fact corked, and 2)you find out by taking the stopper out of the bottle, in which case the bottle is no longer corked but uncorked.

So in spite of the fact that the wine is no longer corked, if it's ruined and reminds you of mold and wet wood, we call it corked.

And of course you can get the same taint from wines that have been sealed with a plastic "cork" or with a screwcap, although that is less common.

But two or three wines a year is not uncommon at all, so I don't think it's your tonuge so much as the wine.


Reply by JonDerry, Apr 24, 2015.

That is a run of bad luck...maybe try some twist off caps. I would be done with corks for a while if I were in your shoes.

Reply by GregT, Apr 25, 2015.

Or had his tonuge!

Reply by oldhare, Apr 25, 2015.
I had the similar problem when I was drinking some medicines. Any wine I tried seemed to me as bitter. After I stopped drinking pills a taste of wine became the same as earlier. Thanks to my Doc!
Reply by outthere, Apr 25, 2015.

"you find out by taking the stopper out of the bottle, in which case the bottle is no longer corked but uncorked"

So it then makes sense that it the cork left behind a bad aroma or taste one would consider it still corked as only uncorked bottles are drinkable  ;-)

Reply by GregT, Apr 25, 2015.

Well counselor, I suppose so. OTOH, the question as to whether or not it is still corked could be answered by upending the bottle.

BTW, had one of your recs last night - Jemrose Cardiac Hill. Not the cuvee. Those are so tight I don't think I'm opening another for a few years. It took forever to get some life and this morning was probably at its best. Then again, it may be my tonuge!  Was talking to a bunch of Bordeaux producers two days ago and commented that for the prices they were showing ($25-45) there weren't many Cabs from CA that offered or actually required the same aging potential, but there were other wines that do. This would be one example. What's the oldest you've had?

Reply by outthere, Apr 25, 2015.

The oldest i 've had is the '07 back in 2012 and it needed a few days after popping the cork to fully evolve.

Reply by jamessulis, Apr 25, 2015.

Wow, how unfortunate to be experiencing Corked wines. Possibly try changing where you purchase your wine?.

My strong advise is to buy twist off tops. Don't be fooled into thinking that these types of closures are inferior. They are not.

Remember, Chateau Lafite Rothchiled uses twist off tops and I cannot afford to buy it because it generally starts at $1,500 per bottle. If they trust the twist off over the cork buy a wine you can afford with a twist off top.

Better luck to you


Lefty, the Great Pacific Northwest

Reply by dmcker, Apr 25, 2015.

"Chateau Lafite Rothchiled uses twist off tops"

I've been a bit out of the loop lately, I feel, but since when has Lafite used Stelvins on its Premier Cru wines??? Not on anything I've seen in any shops over here....

Reply by Richard Foxall, Apr 28, 2015.

That'd be news to me as well.  Not that I've ever actually opened any L-R.

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