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Posted by Eclispe, Mar 15, 2015.

Greetings,

We have an old bottle of wine that we have very little knowledge about. 

I'm hoping that someone on this site might be able to enlighten us. 

Thanks in advance,

Donna

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Reply by EMark, Mar 15, 2015.

Wow, that one is pretty interesting.  It's from the Malaga region of Spain (right on the Mediterranean), it is a non-vintage and my guess is that it is a sweet wine.  I, suppose, though, that you could have Googled it just like I did, and, so, you may already know that.  We do have some pretty sharp Spanish wine people who play here, occasionally, and, so, maybe one of them will chime in.  Current price for this wine seems to be about $10, but you might be able to find somebody who would like to have it as a decorative item.

The liquor store label is great.  I'm guessing that that address is in New York City.  ???  It seems to me that the phone companies stopped using the two charactter alpha exchange ("SH" in this case) in the early 1960s.  So, that gives us a reasonable "no later than" date for when it was sold.

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Reply by Eclispe, Mar 15, 2015.

Thank you for your quick response.  I have been doing a little research this afternoon also and, the following link is what I found.  The label does say that it is a sweet wine.  EMARK, how did you come about the pricing of this bottle of wine? 

http://www.todocoleccion.net/botella-gran-vino-sanson-1905-aprox-hijos-antonio-barcelo-s-c~x25455238

 

 

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Reply by vin0vin0, Mar 15, 2015.

Hello, snoother 1828262, welcome to the Snooth forum!

From my experience, the majority of Malaga wines are made from the Pedro Ximenez grape, which produces sweet sherry wines.

The wine-searcher web site is a pretty handy tool for wine buyers and wine geeks.

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Reply by EMark, Mar 15, 2015.

I was at the wine-searcher site that vin0vin0 linked. I did not provide a value for your wine. The Wine-searcher site lists numerous stores that are selling the current bottling for $10.  It appears to be a fairly accessible wine and, being non-vintage, I don't see it as being a particularly collectible wine.  The site you linked seems to be offereing a 1905 bottling of this wine for 34 Euros.  Notice how nice the label is on their bottle vs. the one on yours.  I don't think you can date your bottle to 1905.  If you could, keep in mind that the guys at the site you linked want to sell a bottle for 34 Euros.  If they were inclined to buy a bottle, they would bid much less.  The fact that the label on your bottle is not as good would discount their bid even more.

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Reply by GregT, Mar 16, 2015.

emark - I think it's earlier than the 1960s. Here's an ad from the Bkn Daily Eagle from 1945, and there isn't much you can find about that store after that, so I'd bet it's from some time in the 1940s.

The wines are generally made from Moscatel and Pedro Ximenez and they're fortified but for many many years they were just crappy sweet wines. In the last 10 years, Jorge Ordonez and a few others have been encouraging the producers to up their games and the wines are more interesting but still kind of like a really super sweet sherry.

That particular wine was probably not stored well and it wasn't a particularly distinguished wine to start with. It may have some value as a memento of a past time, but it probably won't have much value as a drink.

It's a pretty old bodega, as old or older than Lopez de Heredia and CVNE. Those old bodegas may have some interesting wines in their cellar. That's the kind of producer you want to find for something rare if you ever visit. More recently they've started producing in Ribera del Duero under the Viña Mayor brand. Those wines aren't top-shelf, but they can be reasonably good and they're not expensive.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Mar 16, 2015.

Vina Mayor is a really inexpensive wine and a pretty good daily drinker, but it has very little distribution that I have seen.  I have had a couple bottles and they drank above price point, which is to say they were $8 or less and tasted like $12. 

But Malaga was sweet and fortified, so it has a better chance of surviving so-so storage, doesn't it?  My suggestion is to give it a try (check the threads, but that's what Snooth regulars always say) and check back.  And save the bottle--it's worth as much for memories empty as full.

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Reply by Snoother 1828386, Mar 16, 2015.

Hello, I found this post from Google Search (I was searching a different issue about my city).

The company "Hijos de Antonio Barceló" is alive and maybe you can learn about that wine from here:

http://www.habarcelo.es/prensa-y-premios/galeria/detalle.aspx?id=2114

http://www.habarcelo.es/el-grupo/historia.aspx

http://www.habarcelo.es/

Regards, from Malaga (Spain)

 

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Reply by Eclispe, Mar 16, 2015.

 

I would be afraid to drink this bottle of wine.  Who knows what it's history was before we acquired it, and for the past 10 years it has sat on a self in our garage.  Yesterday while cleaning, I decided to see what I could find out about it. 

It's an interesting old bottle and I'm a little disappointed that it's just a boring cheap wine 

thank you for all your responses - I am so glad I found this site!  

 

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Reply by GregT, Mar 17, 2015.

Whoops - forgot to include the link. It's on the left side.


http://fultonhistory.com/Newspaper%205/Brooklyn%20NY%20Daily%20Eagle/Brooklyn%20NY%20Daily%20Eagle%201945%20Grayscale/Brooklyn%20NY%20Daily%20Eagle%201945%20Grayscale%20-%207336.pdf

Fox - sweet and fortified for sure, but kind of like a bottle of Harvey's Bristol Cream that's 50 years old and that had been sitting in the garage. Won't likely be poison, but I'd say the unopened bottle is probably worth what it cost at purchase time. The open bottle will be just a bottle.

I wouldn't drink it, even out of curiousity!

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Reply by Eclispe, Mar 17, 2015.

GregT, What a cool advertisement! Thank you for taking the time to share it.  

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Reply by outthere, Mar 17, 2015.

OK, now that the pleasantries have been given where does the name Eclispe come from? Are you dyslexic or is there another meaning?

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Reply by GregT, Mar 17, 2015.

Get rhigt to the piont dotn you?

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Reply by Eclispe, Mar 18, 2015.

opps, that should be Eclipse -  correction made, I probably shouldn't drink & type!

Eclipse is my favorite go-to wine.  It's from Horton Vineyards, a Virginia winery. 

It's a lightly sweet blend and they have both a red and a white that they call Eclipse, it's about a $12 bottle.  I don't care much for dessert wines or anything that's sweet, this has just a hint of sweetness. 

  

 

 

 

 

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Reply by outthere, Mar 18, 2015.

I knew it!  ;-)

Inquiring minds want to know GregT.

 

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Reply by JonDerry, Mar 18, 2015.

Welcome Eclispe...once you start posting in the other threads about wines you are currently drinking, you'll become an official member of Snooth. Hopefully you do, we could use a female perspective around here.

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Reply by EMark, Mar 18, 2015.

Greg, second Donna's comment about the ad.  How the heck did you find that?

Donna, there is interest here on the Forum in Virginia wines.  Understandably, I suppose, this interest is mostly from residents of that area, but we do hope that you continue to participate.

For other wines with a "hint of sweetmess," you might check out Rieslings from Germany.  Ones from the Mosel region are pretty easy to find here in the U.S.  You may have to try a couple before you find wine with the exact profile you're seeking.  They can be made in any style from bone dry (Trocken) to dessert-wine sweet.

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Reply by GregT, Mar 18, 2015.

Eclispe - I like your spelling! And I agree - stick around.

EMark - what I like about that ad is the price list. You can get Zinfandel, Burgundy, or Barberone for only $1.98 for a full gallon! And the alcohol levels are 12  - 16 percent!

Back up the truck baby! Love that Burgundy and Barberone!

See. I knew Burgundy was a grape.

BTW - you can still get the Barberone. Who knew? And who knows what it really is? I just don't think it's Barbera, but maybe. There used to be acres and acres of it grown in CA that went into stuff like this and the various Burgundies.

Home made too, which is nice. 

I imagine that today, with the nice box and everything, it's probably more than two bucks a gallon. Sigh.

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Reply by Eclispe, Mar 19, 2015.

It looks like the Olympic Liquor store on 82nd street is out of business. I've tried a couple of searches tonight with no luck, it's too bad, I thought they might like to have this old bottle since it has their label on it, I was going to send it to them. 

Mark, the couple of times I have visited Germany, the wines were wonderful and I remember ordering a lot of Rieslings. The thought makes me want to go back!! 

GregT, I have really enjoyed the newspaper page.  Next to the advertisement there is an ad for a pattern, I am an avid embroider and the ladies I study with will get a kick out of the advertisement for a .15 cent pattern. I look forward to sharing it with them.

I'm enjoying this site. 

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Reply by EMark, Mar 19, 2015.

Yeah, Greg, I have to say, those prices hit my sweet spot, in spite of my comment in the other thread.  I have to say, though, I've never heard of Barberone, before.  Now I have. Of course, I'm not really sure I know what the heck it is.

I, like Donna, am really intrigued by that newspaper page.  Look at the date--December 7, 1945--the four year anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor and, roughly, four months after VJ Day.  A pretty significant time for my parents, and, I suspect, the parents and grandparents of some of the other Snooth Forum participants.

Donna noticed the stitchery ad.  I noticed the ad immediately above on investments.  

How will . . .

     Increased Labor Costs

     Renewed Competition

     Elimination of Excess Profits Taxes

. . . affect your investments in the future?

This stuff is fascinating.

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Reply by GregT, Mar 19, 2015.

It's true Emark, but you can get lost in that stuff. It's around the time my parents showed up in this country and they lived right by that store so they must have gone into it at some point.

The Brooklyn Daily Eagle has a long history. There's a park I used to walk past in Brooklyn called Fort Greene Park. They filmed the Cosby Show a few streets away. Matter of fact, I got mugged next to it one night by five guys with guns. Anyhow, the park was built because one of the movers behind the Daily Eagle advocated for a park to commemorate the soldiers who served in the Civil War, which had ended a few years before. He was Walt Whitman.

You can find lots of NYC history in old Daily Eagle pages and looking up a liquor shop is something I never did before. 

Today Fort Greene park is probably what was envisioned 125 years ago. The area has rebounded from the crack and crime epidemic of the 1970s - 1990s and it's full of shops, wine stores, and restaurants. One day in the future people might be looking at advertisements for the wine stores around there, wondering about a wine that they've had in the family for many years.

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