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Looking to Redeem Myself

Posted by Judy Marshall, Oct 25, 2015.

I found your site when I was searching for information on the Arcadian Winery of the Finger Lakes. The reason, you ask?  I opened a bottle of pinot noir from this very estate for guests at a dinner party at our home, not realizing it was the only such bottle that my boyfriend owned, and that the winery no longer existed.  

The wine was enjoyed by our friends, but he is having an extremely hard time forgiving me for this faux pax. He had repeatedly told me to never open that bottle. We differ greatly on matters of consumption. I am not a saver or hoarder of expensive wines. I buy wines to be enjoyed and depending on the occasion will spend anywhere from $10 for weeknight wines, to  discounted expensive varieties, due to budget limitations and other priorities. 

I wonder if anyone out here has a bottle of Pinot Noir from the Arcadian estate with the original label, they would be interested in selling to me to redeem myself.  I would be most grateful for assistance; I will be very sad if the answer is that there are none in existence!   Thanks for your time.


Reply by dmcker, Oct 25, 2015.

This is likely going to be a difficult search. Wine Searcher shows only an Arcadian on California's Central Coast, and less-well-distributed offerings under an Arcadia name down in New Zealand or over in Turkey.

You should  check a number of wine auction sites, even going so far as eBay, though expectations regarding bottle condition can't be high on that latter site. If, ultimately, you cannot find a bottle from that no-longer-existing winery, you might then consider finding some other special bottle from elsewhere that you know your  BF might like.

I sympathize with your boyfriend, I'm afraid, since my girlfriend once served up five Bordeaux First Growths (a horizontal of '82 Latour, Lafite, Mouton, Margaux & Haut Brion which I'd been saving for a special event since it was my elder daughter's birth year; this was about 10 years ago) to a late-night after-party crew (considering physical condition and time of night and other factors they would've been even happier with some NZ sauvignon blanc, if any had been lolling about) at our place when I was away on a trip. I had specifically mentioned to her a couple of times that that section of the wine racks was off-limits. Inebriation and arm-twisting by a friend apparently factored into the equation. I'm no longer with her, though not because of that or another similar wine incident.

There's almost a 'Dear Abby' aspect to your query. Good luck on your hunt for a replacement, and on working things out with the BF. Know, though, that 'hoarding' was probably not a factor, though of course I'm not aware of all the dynamics...

Reply by outthere, Oct 25, 2015.

Buy him a better bottle and let it go. 

Reply by dvogler, Oct 25, 2015.

Dear Judy,

He had an abnormal love for that bottle.  I too have been very attached to wines from certain vineyards and especially of certain vintages and even a couple times of wineries that closed or were bought out.  I have learned that it's good to enjoy that last bottle, but don't shed tears for it because there is always MORE wine, better vintages by better winemakers.  Perhaps as OT said, buy him a nice Oregon Pinot.  If he's unappreciative, he's a jerk.

Reply by zufrieden, Oct 25, 2015.

Obsession... obsession, what can be done?  Well, try a Burgundian Cru and see if that mollifies.  If not, find another boyfriend.

Reply by GregT, Oct 25, 2015.

I agree with all of the above. Sometimes we want a special bottle for some occasion and then someone opens it on the "wrong" occasion but really, it's not the end of the world.

DV said what I was thinking and Zuf gave you the advice I was going to give.

It may have been a "special" bottle but it's gone and there's no use crying over it. There's plenty of better wine around anyway. And as Zuf suggests, perhaps better boyfriends too.

Reply by JonDerry, Oct 25, 2015.

Tough one. However, I'd recommend paying the extra money for the California Arcadian Pinot Noir. It's some of the more impressive American Pinot around. Well, at least wine geeks love it.

Reply by dmcker, Oct 25, 2015.

If able to go higher in budget, Zuf's recommendation of some good Burgundy would be even better, though the naming parallel might be worth a couple of points for the Santa Rita Hills Arcadian.

I'm guessing she wants to try a little more to find a true replacement. But before too long fall-back replacements may need to be considered, as we all seem to agree. It's the effort, after all, that is likely to be most valuable. Sincerity and penitence bring merit.

Reply by FLWineeditor, Oct 26, 2015.

Village Tavern in Hammondsport, NY, is known for having vintage wines. You also might ask for help from Finger Lakes Wine Country, a marketing organization, or the New York Wine and Grape Foundation, which may know about the former owners. You also could search on Facebook for Finger Lakes wine groups. That said, Arcadian was never one of the big wineries, so you may have no luck. 

Reply by tiwinemaker, Oct 26, 2015.

Hi Judy, I am glad  you liked the Pinot noir. I was the winemaker who made that wine. Unfortunately the owners at the time did not believe in putting vintages on their bottles, which makes it difficult to know for sure which vineyard the grapes were from, but most likely it was the 2007 vintage wine. This wine aged very well in the bottle, and the new owners of that winery put their own label on it, and it sold very well. The grapes were sourced from Sam Argetsinger's vineyard near Burdett. Sadly Sam passed away late last year.  I stopped in at the winery to see if I could buy a bottle of that wine on the way home from the funeral. Unfortunately they had sold out of it.

I believe his grapes go to Ravines Winery, with tasting rooms in Geneva and Hammondsport. So you might want to go and taste there.

If you are ever up in Alexandria bay, then stop in at Thousand Islands Winery, where I work now. I would recommend the Marquette, which is a Minesotta cold hardy grape which has Pinot noir as part of its parentage.




Reply by JonDerry, Oct 26, 2015.

Astounding! Great story.

Reply by EMark, Oct 26, 2015.

It just shows how wrong I can be.  I really thought there would be nothing in this thread that I would find compelling or interesting.  Then the winemaker signs on and tells this great story.  Outstanding. Snoother 1909527, I hope you hang around and add your informed opinions to the conversations here on the Snooth Forum.  I might request, though, that you change your handle.    ;-)

Reply by Kyle Knapton, Oct 27, 2015.

Hi Judy,

I'm the Tasting Room Manager for the Barnstormer Winery (currently located in the old Arcadian Estate Building). This thread was forwarded to me by TIWINEMAKER and I may not have exactly what you're looking for but I may have SOMETHING for you.

Please call or email us today. (607)243-4008 or

Reply by outthere, Oct 27, 2015.

How cool is that?

Judy, oh Judy.... Are you still out there?

Reply by dmcker, Oct 27, 2015.

The power of social media, defunct winery products chase-down version.

Now hopefully the boyfriend will appreciate this!

Reply by vin0vin0, Oct 27, 2015.

And here I was thinking this thread was going to end up being just another sad story, ending in heartbreak and misery. Now there's truly a possible silver lining here. Hope Judy comes back and that she takes advantage of the winemakers offer. Judy, I'm sure we would all love to hear how this all plays out, please keep us informed and good luck!

Reply by dvogler, Oct 27, 2015.

I want to give the boyfriend a backhand.  That would be a happy ending for me.

Reply by GregT, Oct 28, 2015.

Great turn this thread took. Here's hoping the wine maker and wine folks will stay around.

Reply by dvogler, Oct 28, 2015.

I withdraw my wish to administer corporal punishment on the boyfriend.  Upon carefully rereading the original post, it seems Judy isn't a good listener.  He 'repeatedly' told her never to open that bottle. :)

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