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Snooth User: mousking1

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Posted by mousking1, Dec 17, 2009.

hello everyone, i'm 26,but i just started drrinking 6 months ago. with my first sip of wine i was hooked. i started buying books, bookmarking wine websites, and starting a small collection.

i recently decided i am going to increase my collection size to start seriously aging some wines for enjoyment and investmment. i guess saying i decided this isn't quite accurate, instead i should say my wife recently gave me the green light to start. she isn't a big fan of wine.

my wife so far has only liked moscato, but if i catch her in the right mood she will drink some whites, as long as they are on the sweeter side.

i am really looking forward to learning from everyone here, and hopefully use that knowledge to intoduce friends to the exciting world of wine


Reply by Degrandcru, Dec 17, 2009.

Welcome Mousking. First of all, thats not a game, we are all extremely serious about this:).

Stock up on some german Rieslings (Auslese, Beerenauslese, Eisweins...). They age wonderfully well and you´ll make your wife happy.

My wife is completely on the opposite, whenever I serve sweet wine, she hates it, not matter how nicely balanced it is.

Reply by mousking1, Dec 18, 2009.

it's okay, i take my games very seriously. just ask my wife how the evening goes when i lose "apples to apples" :)

thank you for the recommendations, i'll let you know how we like them.

Reply by kylewolf, Dec 18, 2009.

I think also, your wife may enjoy some of the very spicy/sweet Gewurztraminer from the alsace region (I think california is also doing some good things with this grape). So what kind of wines are YOU specifically into? the people here at snooth will be able to give you a lot of direction. I know I have learned so much just from reading the boards here. And I am 25, so we are in the same boat. Enjoy. and maybe the most important thing. Wine tastings are your best friend.

Reply by Mark Angelillo, Dec 18, 2009.

Hah. Apples to Apples is a very fun game, but yes -- can bring out some competition. Mostly here we play Grapes to Grapes, which is also pretty fun.

Reply by mousking1, Dec 18, 2009.

i'm not that picky about wine, i tend to find a reason to appreciate every one that i've tried, not to say i'd buy them all again. i've never met a merlot i didn't like, but i've never had one that was amazing either. i've had two sauvingon blancs, but i hated them. i haven't written the variety off yet though,since they were both cheap bottles. i have been working my way through all the moscato i can find since i can share it with my wife. now i have to order all my moscatos because i've tried all the ones sold around me. however i'm not a big fan of muscat, i guess it's the italian blood in me. i have enjoyed all the shiraz/syrah i've had. i guess there i one quality i that is required for me to drink a wine, it has to be wet :)

Reply by GregT, Dec 18, 2009.


Can I offer some advice? You've been drinking wine for six months? Don't buy anything at all for aging or investment.

If you mean with an eye to reselling it, you should really never buy wine for investment anyway, because unless you can store it really well, good luck finding someone to buy it. You may find a couple of suckers, but is it really worth a few hundred dollars? If you're talking big money wines, like first growth Bordeaux, nobody is going to buy them unless you can show proper storage from day one. If you've been drinking wine for six months, can you name the first growths off the top? You should since you'll spend around $1000 a bottle.

More importantly, how do you know that the prices will go up? Burgundy exports to the US are down 24% last year. There's a lot of wine out there that's unsold. There's also no guarantee prices will increase over the next 10 years like they have over the past 10. It's not like there's a get rich quick way to enjoy wine, or drink-for-free program you can get into buy simply stashing some stuff away based on recommendations from chat boards in the hopes of selling it later.

Of course you don't have to be laying down first growths, there are thousands of cheaper wines. Probably the cheapest wine you can find that will reward aging would be a Riesling or a cru Beaujolais. You'll spend at least $20 a bottle. So say you buy a case, age it for 15 years, and try to sell it. Maybe you'll get the $20, maybe with inflation you might hit $25. Why so low? Because there's really not much market for inexpensive moderately-aged wine.

So you end up looking for things around $100/bottle give or take, because that's where you'll find the most interest. But you have the same issues regarding storage. And believe me, you're not going to be the only person who's got some wine to unload. Therefore, don't rush into collecting anything for investment.

As far as collecting anything for aging, similar arguments. How many aged wines have you had? Whites? Reds? German? Italian? Spanish? French? Which grapes, which regions, which winemakers and which vintages have you liked? How do you know you'll even like them after 15 or 20 years?

Honestly, I'm not trying to be a jerk. For example, the poster above said he didn't like or dislike merlot. You may feel the same way but you need some basis for the statement. I've never counted and have no way to do so at this point, but I'd imagine that over the years I've tasted many hundreds of merlots from many places. Some are simply fantastic and are among the best wines I've ever had, many are mediocre, and some suck.

Instead of rushing into something that you don't understand all that well yet, why not spend your resources learning? It really will be to your benefit in the long run to take a few years now and just learn everything you can. Not by reading or talking, but by tasting. Tasting is the only way to learn about wine. You can learn history, botany, geography, politics, etc., by reading, but to understand wine, you have to taste.

You don't have to take courses either, although you can. I'd be a little wary though - I've met a number of people who fell in love with wine and started calling themselves "teachers" within a year.

For example, say you want to learn about merlot. I happen to like comparing things, maybe because it makes me focus. Buy a few at different prices from different regions. Washington state makes some, they make it in CA. Buy some from Bordeaux. Buy some older ones too - not five or six years, but fifteen or twenty, to show you what happens to a wine with age. Taste them and jot some notes for yourself.

Or find two or more wines from the same producer but different vineyards, or different producers same vineyard, and see if you can distinguish anything between them. Or same grapes, different regions. Or whatever strikes your fancy. It's best if you can do this with others, and I bet you will eventually enlist your wife!

Then, when you've tried a whole lot of different things from different vintages and different regions, think about what characteristics you like and whether aged wines are really your thing. Aged Brunello does not taste like aged Bordeaux or aged zinfandel and you may like one or the other, or maybe all, but you need to find out first. Then select that for aging.

The only thing you can be certain of is that your palate will change over time.

Best of luck. The fun part is really the learning anyway. As the poster above said, as long as it's wet, you've got something to work with! Cheers!

Reply by mousking1, Dec 18, 2009.

well i was the poster above you, so now that's cleared up :) thank you for your advice, that's why i'm here.

when it comes to setting some back for aging i figure the worst case scenario is i have a great gift for a wine loving friend, as long as i choose from wines with a long history of aging well.

on the topic of investing, i'm a firm believer that investing is the same as gambling, you shouldn't risk more than you're willing to lose. and the worst case scenario is the similar to just aging, except it will they better be a really good friend.

as for learning, i am the type of person learns about everything to do with my interests, and i have a lot of interests, so according to the people in my life i come off as a smart ass. for better or worse, i'm proud of that title. but i am wise enough to know i don't know it all.

Reply by zufrieden, Dec 18, 2009.

I think Greg has pretty much touched the bases. Otherwise, just have fun travelling through the wonderfully numerous and diverse wines from different countries and regions - trying different varieties without worrying too much about hype. Zero in on what gives you the most bang for buck and don't be too hasty to develop an expensive palate - unless you have a large inheritance coming in the near future (my best wishes are with you on the last comment).

Take joy in finding those tucked-away bargains and plug into the romance of the vine. Happy tippling!

Reply by cigarman168, Dec 19, 2009.

Welcome to snooth. Nice to know that you also fans of wines and what I recommend is to try as much as wines from different regions, vintage, grapes...and enjoy first. In reality, wines business and investment is not an easy stuffs and need time to get harvest.

Reply by GregT, Dec 19, 2009.

Cripes - that's what happens when you post while drinking!!!

Yeah - it's exactly right regarding what you're wiling to lose. But you can hedge your bets a little by tasting as much older wine as possible yourself. Don't know where you live, but if you're in the NYC area, there are a few opportunities to do that thru the year and it's really worthwhile because you'll be able to see firsthand what you'll get in the future.

I assume if you're collecting anything, you've got somewhere to keep it? If not, get a little wine fridge or something to stash the bottles. The coolers aren't even that expensive any more and you can get them at places like Home Depot. Wine ages differently in the high 60s than the high 50s and it's a totally worthwhile investment. For $100 you can get something that will hold fifty bottles or so for you.


Reply by proseccodrinker, Dec 20, 2009.

welcome mousking Your wife will like Beringer's White Zinfandel It's inexpensive and she will thank you for it That is sure winner with most ladies! As for you, you may want to wander into some California Cabs. So rich complex and rewarding. With a tasty rich meal cooked to match, the experience you will enjoy will be like smoking a world class cigar- decadent and satisfying .Delicate yet bold- filling yet insatiably light at times. Unfortunately it seems that you get what you pay for in Cabs but there are good values to be found. If you start with a top Cab you may be spoiled for life so test the waters and splurge occasionaly. Nice to put bottles on display for aging etc.- but the fun is in the experience of the taste-the mood and the company. As you are 26 you have plenty of time to lay down bottles. [although I recommend buying what you wil drink] Whites are nice and SO many countries offer a large varietal selection- but many can be disappointing.There is a reason why a good Cab goes so well with the best porterhouse one can buy! Next time you barbecue, enjoy the moment with a Cab[or even a good Merlot if you prefer] By the time you're 35 or 40 you will have a wealth of memories !Take care!

Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, Dec 21, 2009.

Wow, talk about a sexist comment. I don't know any ladies, myself included, who like the garbage that is white zinfandel. In fact, the only person I know who drinks it is my crazy, seventy year old uncle.
Mous, whatever you do, don't waste your money on white zinfandel. Stick with the Riesling, Gewurztraminer and maybe a Chenin, for your wife.

Reply by Drunk as a Skunk, Dec 21, 2009.

Hi Mousking, I would suggest Covey Run merlot out of Washington. The 04 was quite nice. As far as cabs try something from Ca maybe Alexander region.


Reply by mousking1, Dec 21, 2009.

white zinfandel was the first wine i bought (not tasted) and probably one of the cheapest, but i disliked it so much i haven't been able to bring myself to purchase a higher quality bottle. the only thing i can think of that white zin is good for is the juice known as harbor mist. but i am sure i will eventually find a white zinfandel i can appreciate.

i call the puget sound area of washington state home, even though i live in south east georgia now. and when i was up there last time i grabbed a few wines to try to get a good taste of washington. covey run merlot was one of the ones i was considering, i ended up grabbing a canoe ridge instead. i'll be sure to grab a covey run when i go back this spring.

Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Dec 21, 2009.

I don't have time to read every post hear and respond to them but let me just say one thing.


That's why you want to buy wine young and age it. Not because it may, or may not get too expensive to rebuy, though that certainly has happened to me. No, the reason to buy and age wine is to make sure it's been treated like a loved child all these years. This may be a game but like y'all said we take it very seriously.

Well at least you guys do!

Reply by dmcker, Dec 21, 2009.

Mousking, don't worry about trying to find a better white zin. They're like white elephants, virtually impossible to find. Most of them I wouldn't even think about cooking with.

Plenty of other good wine out there. You can spend the next couple of decades exploring and you'll still be just scratching the surface. You'll've had a lot of fun, though. Unless you spend your time searching for the Moby Dick of a good white zin... ;-)

Reply by amour, Dec 22, 2009.

I suggest one from PELLEE ISLAND WINERY.

Will be in touch as I guide you through BURGUNDY......Happy tasting and do remember to make some kind of clear notes on your honest experience and add the full name of the wine, label, and photo if practical, of course .

THANK YOU! CHEERS !!!!!!!!!!

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