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No more friends; now 'followers'?

Posted by dmcker, Mar 31, 2011.

I guess I missed the notification (too may Snooth group emails in my inbox for me to think about opening them all these days), but I see now that suddently my site 'friends' have instead become 'followers'. And I guess if I have accepted their friend requests I automatically then become their 'follower'.

This seems like a rather arbitrary change, and I'd like to hear Snooth's rationale for this without asking permission, making a clear public explanation, etc. Don't think I'm splitting hairs by pointing to a distinction between the two social media categories. A 'friend' is definitely different from a 'follower'....


Reply by Chris Carpita, Mar 31, 2011.

Agree that there probably should have been a post about this on the blog.

The point of changing friends to followers is that it's a more transparent representation of how we've always kept track of relationships between people on our site. 

A "friend" means someone who you follow that also follows you, and it always meant that, as far as our model is concerned.  It's just more clearly expressed now, and a lot of the features that we will roll out in the coming months will make much more sense from a "follower" standpoint.

Reply by rolifingers, Mar 31, 2011.

when I saw I had Snooth followers, I felt sort of like David Koresh, scared the sh#t out of me.LOL.

Reply by napagirl68, Apr 1, 2011.

I evidently roll like a rockstar!  LOL!!  :-) :-)

Reply by GregT, Apr 1, 2011.

"Friend" implies egalitarianism.

"Follow" implies subordination.

Can't wait to see how that makes much more sense!

I'm pretty sure that I don't have any of either, but if I had to choose, I'd rather have followers and feel like a barbarian warlord.

And BTW - I'm a top, so I don't follow.

Reply by rolifingers, Apr 1, 2011.
Edited Apr 4, 2011

I guess us Snoothers will be following each other around,

Reply by dmcker, Apr 1, 2011.

Chris, I certainly understand the difference between Friends and Followers in a social media context, and how Snooth might want to utilized the followers model. I'm in the process of implementing a different variation on that tune for products our startup is developing at the moment.

However the problem is you started with the Friends model. Greg's comment is, as often is the case, delightfully tonque-in-cheek. However it also hammers the nail at least once or twice on the head. I personally would not necessarily choose to 'follow' people who I did, however, agree to 'friend'. The fact that you made such an arbitrary shift in structure without notifying us or asking for permission is a worrying sign.

Reply by outthere, Apr 1, 2011.

Makes me want to wield a sledge hammer. LOL

Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Apr 1, 2011.

Hey everyone.

I realise this change must have come as a surprise to you all but I hope you'll be patient and see how it develops as we continue to roll out the features associated with this tweak.

We are trying to develop a better sytem at Snooth, one that will allow our audience to determine and award the authorities on the site.

That's you fols, and you all are very imporant to Snooth and this growing community and this can only become a more significant feature of Snooth as we continue ro grow.

In the short term the change is merely semantic, so please bear with us.

Reply by dmcker, Apr 1, 2011.

"We are trying to develop a better sytem at Snooth, one that will allow our audience to determine and award the authorities on the site."

Not very clear, Greg. Can you please explain in ways that slowpokes like I can understand?  Afraid I'm never really too patient with things I don't understand... ;-)
Reply by zufrieden, Apr 1, 2011.

Hey, look on the bright side folks (or not): you get to see who really loves you.

But personally, joking aside, I was perfectly content with the "friends" idea: there was sufficient information there to tell me that a connection of sorts existed and where one went from there was a mutual decision.

Perhaps the general complaint is more along the lines of consultation: some of the reliable contributors just want to be part of the ongoing evolution of the site since they add value to as much as they derive value from the communication nexus that is snooth.

There is a gold mine of intellect just waiting to be asked to opine on subjects like these...

Reply by dmcker, Apr 1, 2011.

Frankly, Zuf, I was a bit fussed that we weren't consulted before the conversion, nor was explanation given even after the fact until I posted this thread. But that's frankly minimal for me, personally.

More important is the fact that Snooth seems to think that 'friending' is the same as 'following'. It's not, and I'll friend a lot more people than I'll follow. This is an evolving area of issue in current Social Media development. Something that Snooth's done some thinking about (even if perhaps insufficiently, especially on the user interface), but then so have plenty of others, included yours truly over in my current job.

Reply by napagirl68, Apr 1, 2011.

It's a Twitter vs. Facebook term...

BTW.. would LOVE a like button on some of these posts... like Outthere's one page back! LOL!

Reply by Degrandcru, Apr 1, 2011.

In real life I've never had friends, just followers. So not a big deal for me... hey, is that why I am sitting in front of my computer on a Friday night?

Reply by napagirl68, Apr 2, 2011.

Good question, Degrandcru!

I sit in front of my moto droid x at many locations across this earth, and post here.  Doesn't mean I'm not out having fun OR staying in bored our of my brains....

I love my phone and laptop.. I am very mobile with these devices.  I can be at a party and respond to a post here, facebook... etc.   Don't make assumptions about others' activities.

Reply by dmcker, Apr 2, 2011.

Ah, NG, sounds like your devices are taking over your life and invading your privacy just as mine are!

Wanna trade strangest texting locations?

Reply by JonDerry, Apr 2, 2011.

It does seem a bit incongruous for wine buffs to be adopting twitter me that's the main point. 

Reply by dmcker, Apr 2, 2011.

I see the CellarTracker model also having influence...

But that's not how insite behavior has been shaped by Snooth in the past. Won't be statistically significant if friends are viewed same as followers. Almost need to punch the reset....

Reply by Stephen Harvey, Apr 3, 2011.

A somewhat intriguing string.

I must admit I never quite understood the "friend" and what it really means in regards to site dynamics, equally I am not sure that I quite understand the "follower" concept.

Call me a bit old fashioned - yes I was born in 1959 and I firmly believe you actually need to interact with a person on a face to face basis to be able to truly work out that you connect as friends.  Now of course being truly remote to most of Snooths subscribers clearly that face to face interaction is certainly difficult to achieve.  So from my point of view I think of all Snooth subscibers as "wine" colleagues. Similar to the way I have my global Deloitte colleagues.

So I am not sure what Snooth was trying to achieve through its "friends" concept

Now followers, implies the concept of leadership and I certainly do not desire to try and become a "leader" so as I can accumulate followers, that almost sounds like some form of charasmatic religious cult.  Maybe we can all worship Bacchus and create a whole sect of regional demigods - Likie Arnie, the god of muscular Californian Cabernet!!!

I think that a forum debate/discussion on how we can use social media to better connect and cimmunicate and perhaps we can bring more people, including younger people into the world of wine

Reply by StevenBabb, Apr 14, 2011.

i think we should change it to STALKERS... lets be original with SNOOTH STALKERS.... we're EVERYWHERE!!!!

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