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Snooth User: lingprof

Question about 2009 Harvest

Posted by lingprof, Dec 4, 2009.

What happened with the harvest in CA this fall? I kept noticing that it wasn't getting cold here in SoCal. In fact it was exactly 80 degrees on Turkey Day. I'm guessing this reflects at least somewhat the climate in Napa and so forth. I don't know anything about the ideal weather for different grapes, but I know that this is pretty atypical even for sunny CA. I searched for this topic but haven't found anything.

So, is it going to be the worst vintage ever?
Is late warm weather good for some grapes and not others?

I'm sure someone on Snooth will know.....

(and if I've missed a previous thread on this, please let me know....)


Reply by amour, Dec 4, 2009.

My well-informed friends in FRANCE just told me by telephone that ............................................2009 BURGUNDY is the best in 50 years!!!
This was supported by a friend of mine who actually works in vineyards in BURGUNDY
I drank the 2009 MOMMESSIN BEAUJOLAIS NOUVEAU at a party at the FRENCH INSTITUTE...alliance francaise.... and it was so lovely...of course...young and agile as it would be expected.
WINESPECTATOR did their NY tasting and rated the GEORGES du the eighties!
We have better to talk about...I am really excited about 2009 ROMANI-CONTI and the ultra feminine ROMANEE ST-VIVANT when they appear...based on those serious remarks from FRANCE. (I drank the perfumed and enough complexity for my palate! Of course, a long finish, very grainy tannins and purity of fruit. Always described as most feminine!

Reply by John Andrews, Dec 4, 2009.

In general, the harvest in NorCal was pretty good. Late warm weather is actually welcomed as long as it isn't a heat spike. It allows for the grapes to generate a lot of flavor and allows wineries to pick at the sugar levels they want.

However, there were some unexpected rains that created quite a rush in October but everyone I have talked to are pretty happy about the harvest. In general, it seems that reds did better than whites and if you picked before the rain you were better shape.

I would expect the 09s to represent a very good vintage but I am not sure about it being a great vintage. One thing that seems to be sure is that many wineries cut back production so supply of 09s could difficult.

Reply by GregT, Dec 5, 2009.

If you picked before rain you're generally better off, provided your grapes are ripe,no? In Spain, a few of the wineries in Ribera del Duero think they did pretty well, while others are dismissing the vintage, although it wasn't as bad as something like 2002 or 2006. In Rioja, depending on where you were, you were OK but again, they had rain there during harvest so the people who had picked before the rain are OK, the others may not be so happy.

Reply by Martingauthier, Dec 6, 2009.

My antenna in Bordeaux told me that this Harvest is as perfect, if not gretter, then the one in 2005. Their is one good thing about this is that we are going to be able to drink those wine before we die (depending on your age). The bad thing is that the price are going to sky rock again. If you take a close look at the price variation for wines coming out of Bordeaux since 2000, it looks like a roller coaster. We are so lucky to live in a decade that created 3 awesome years of great wines!!! 2009 might be the best among them!

Reply by amour, Dec 6, 2009.


If I was not sure, I would not publish.
I do respect SNOOTH !!
Thank you !

Reply by GregT, Dec 6, 2009.

Bordeaux is special of course.

We would expect 2009 to be a great vintage in Bordeaux wouldn't we? They get 2 vintages of the century every ten years, and then a "best since . . ." interspersed. Each time there is a vintage of the century, they ratchet prices up. Prices stay there for a while and then the next vintage of the century comes along and they ratchet again. But you can't simply repeat every five years. People get suspicious when it's so regular. 1990 was good, 1995 was good, 2000 was good, 2005 was good.

The economy is bad and people are skeptical, especially if we're on a rigid five year schedule, so I was betting on 2009 to be the vintage of the century. The problem is that if they really want to mix it up, the next vintage of the century would be 2016, but that's too great a spread, so I'd look for 2013 or 2014 to be the next vintage of the century.

Reply by John Andrews, Dec 6, 2009.

@GregT ... Yeah! Since the rains were in October almost all of the grapes were ripe and sugar was right were people wanted. All that people were waiting for was flavor. It seems that flavor really generates in the last few weeks before the grapes are harvested.

Reply by VegasOenophile, Dec 7, 2009.

So we heard about Bordeaux and Burgundy, but lingprof was asking about Napa/Sonoma! lol

Reply by John Andrews, Dec 7, 2009.

@Vegas ... my previous reply was with respect to NorCal ... Sonoma and Napa!

Reply by amour, Dec 7, 2009.

Let us keep the KETTLE on the boil!
May others share their views ...if only because I am fed-up of my own boring views!

Reply by GregT, Dec 7, 2009.

Oh yeah, he did actually ask about CA. Whoops. DIdn't read that carefully.

But Honda - you're saying the CA harvest is pretty good then?

I just got some more info on Hungary - some people had a really good year in depending on when they picked because a few regions had rain there too.

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