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Reds, Whites.... how about good Rose wines?

Posted by Fieldster1, Aug 25, 2009.

There's always talk about white and red. What are good Rose wines that you can recommend?

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Aug 25, 2009.

I am a big fan of the Lagrein Rose from Alto-Adige in Northern Italy. They mimic the mineral laced cherry notes of the red bottlings but are summer weight and delightfully fresh. Besides that the best Rose I've had this summer was a Sangiovese from California of all places. A bit of a fruit bomb but really pure sangiovese fruit.

And at $12.25 it is priced for everyday drinking!

Reply by Stephanie516, Aug 26, 2009.

What should a rose wine be paired with? I may drink it just because I love that color.

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, Aug 26, 2009.

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Reply by penguinoid, Aug 26, 2009.

Getting back on topic, rosés are a wine that I haven't really tasted that many of. What sort of things should you look for in a good rosé? I'll probably start thinking about trying a few as the weather warms up here.

At the moment, the Guigal Côtes du Rhone Rosé looks like it might be a good bet: some nice mineral and herbal notes,along with raspberry and strawberry according to the tasting notes.

Any other suggestions for regions or (maybe) producers to look out for? I know Provence is said to make some good rosés but I rarely see wines from there here.

Reply by po54, Aug 26, 2009.

I'll recommend the INES rosé from Cave cooperative de Fronton.
see :
It has been awarded Best world Rosé at the World rosé contest in Cannes last year.
I drank 3 days ago with friends a magnum bottle with some charcoal BBQ lamb grillades and it was really, really on the top.
Little dry, crushed strawberries smell, long in mouth, need to be cooled to 11° c.
Made of 100% pure Négrette, Fronton local varietal.
But I don't know if you can find it in the US...
I recently try also organic rosé wine from Cotes du Frontonnais area.(=Fronton)
The Chateau Plaisance rosé :
Nice deep rose colour, white flowers nose, light spicy touch, very aromatic, deep and long in mouth.
The difference between organic and non organic rosé wine is, in that case, really great !
The organic is far better....
salut :-)

Reply by njwineguy, Aug 26, 2009.

It's hard to go wrong with a classic Provence rosé. Producers like St. Tropez, Mas Sainte Barthe, and Coeur Esterelle all make flavorful, clean, dry rosés that are perfect for summer. The other region that has given me lots of rosé pleasure of late is Spain. Great Garnacha (Grenache to Francophiles) from producers like Las Rocas or Vega Sindoa hit the spot.

Reply by lolagirl, Aug 26, 2009.

I would highly recommend Monte's Cherub 2005 Rose' or Coppolas Sophia 2005 Rose' . Love them both and they are reasonably priced!

Reply by penguinoid, Aug 27, 2009.

Thanks for all the suggestions. I've been keeping an eye out for Provence wines in general, as the one example of a wine from there I've tried I really liked. No luck so far, though.

I'll certainly look out for the INES rosé, and the Château Plaisancer rosé. There are some good organic wines out there, but of course it's not a simple rule of organic = good. I'm hoping to try a few more as I get a chance. I'll also look out for the Monte's Cherub and the Coppolas Sophia too.

Reply by po54, Aug 27, 2009.

You're right !
Organic is sure not automatically good !
I recently taste some really awfull.
But, organic winemakers are doing better and better !
In june, I've been at the Organic wine expo in Bordeaux (at the same time than Vinexpo, but not at the same place) and I've bee impressed by the top quality of some, not especially the big Domains. Try some Chapoutier Cotes du Rhône, you'll have really extra stuff ! (Tavel rosé...)

Reply by Stephanie516, Aug 27, 2009.

po54 - could you add some organic wines in my new forum that's focused on it? I'm trying to buy more organic and wine is certainly on my list!

Reply by po54, Aug 27, 2009.

OK Stephanie,
I go to your topic !
salut !

Reply by ranmanvino, Aug 28, 2009.

Two I really like come from California - "Panky" from the Santa Ynez Valley and "Pink Fiddle" from Fiddlehead Cellars in Lompoc.

Reply by penguinoid, Aug 29, 2009.

I've heard about one or two organic wines that I've been told aren't so good. I've not hit any I haven't liked myself yet. I'd imagine providing their attention to detail in the rest of the grape growing & wine making process were good, going organic would have to help. It's going to be beneficial for the vineyard in the long run.

I'm in Australia at the moment, and don't often see US wines in the stores here. Interestingly, the wine store I went to today had about half a dozen US wines. All were over AU$50, so I'll just look at the bottles for now :-(

Reply by dmcker, Aug 29, 2009.

Yeah, I've noticed that about Australia. Lots of European wines in the shops, but very few Californian. On the supply end of things I believe California only exports about $1bil worth of wine, while little New Zealand exports well more than half that much, and is aiming for $1bil within a very few years...

Reply by penguinoid, Aug 29, 2009.

Yes, I've read it's at least partly because the US wine producers don't feel the need to export much. I've read so much about US wines from different regions recently though that I'm left wanting to try some.

Interestingly, I've also seen little in the way of wines from South Africa and South America. Some wine shops have a reasonable selection, though at the moment neither of my local wine shops seem to. There's generally a fair amount of NZ wines to choose from too.

Reply by dmcker, Aug 29, 2009.

I have noticed more South African wines there than in, say, North America or Japan. Likely because of their shared Commonwealth history. Wonder what percentage of that 1/2 to 3/4 billion dollar export load goes from Kiwiland to Oz, and of course to Britain...

Reply by penguinoid, Aug 29, 2009.

I remember seeing South African wines in the UK frequently too -- again, probably the shared Commonwealth heritage. The wines you see the most of in Australia are Australian wines. I've been to some wine shops which sell only Australian wines.

This is good, I guess, in that it's good to see people supporting their local wine industry. On the other hand, my palette is more suited to old world style wines, so I generally end up looking in the corner with a couple of cupboards of imported wines. I've been visiting some friends lately who are not so enamoured with old world style wines, so this gives me an impetus to try out some more fruit-driven new world wines. Not so much to my taste, but it's interesting to try wines that you wouldn't normally taste.

Not certain what percentage of New Zealand wines end up in Australia and the UK. Probably a fair percentage. The amount of luck I've had in finding a bottle of Milton's Vineyards/Domaine Clos de Ste Anne wines (i.e., none) shows that even for NZ wines, smaller producers can still be hard to track down here.

Reply by chadrich, Sep 2, 2009.

Swinging back to the rose question....I prefer a bolder spicier version. That usually means mouvedre, cab sauv or malbec in the mix, not as much the strawberry aspects of many pinot noir roses. To that end, 3 of my favorites:

Kamen (CS) from Washinton State
Miguel Torres Santa Digna (CS) from Chile
Susan Balboa Crios (Malbec) from Argentina

Reply by dmcker, Nov 18, 2009.

Some more figures on California wine exports:
" California is the nation’s largest farming state with more than $36.6 billion in agricultural production and $10.9 billion in exports. On average, California farmers export an estimated 28 percent of the products they produce. Leading export markets for California include: Canada ($2.2 billion); the European Union ($2.1 billion); Japan ($957 million); and China/Hong Kong ($638 million).

"Top export products in 2007 were: almonds ($ 1.8 billion); dairy and products ($963 million); wine ($815 million); table grapes ($553 million); and cotton ($505 million)."

The quote is from this article:

Seems like California winemakers could pass dairy products pretty easily if they thought in more export-oriented ways. Sure seems like almonds are popular, though...

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