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The World's Next Biggest Wine Regions

Posted by JonDerry, Feb 25, 2015.

Some interesting places listed here that seem worthy of exploring...

Next "Biggest" Wine Regions

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Reply by dvogler, Feb 25, 2015.

Greg, did you know Tokaji is one of the next big wine regions?

That $95 Virginia wine seems like a good deal.  If you have deep pockets, it's easy to buy wine.  I think of "the next biggest" wine regions as producing and exporting more inexpensive, but good quality wine.  Virginia is like BC.  They make good wine, but good luck buying any of the good stuff, they don't make enough of it.  Sicily?  I believe they make a couple of good wines, but it's too damn hot.  I doubt they'll ever be a "next biggest".  Just my a-hole opinion :)

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Reply by GregT, Feb 25, 2015.

Yay! Thank you Elin McCoy!

DV - nope. Didn't know it has been cultivated since probably 250 AD.

And BTW, Trump is not a "determined vinter". He bought the estate from his friend Ms Kluge, who was going bankrupt and who put it on the market for $100M. He picked it up for around $6M. It was a real estate venture. In case anyone is interested here's some more info:

http://www.forbes.com/2011/03/10/patricia-kluge-lifestyle-billionaire-bankruptcy-estate.html

Then of course there's Yarra Valley. Been making wine for a long time there too and some of them have been discovered by secret underground magazines like Wine Spectator. Yering Station for example, was founded in 1838 or thereabouts.

Georgia? Well she gets that right at least. Been making wine there for thousands of years. Most of it pretty bad these days. But a lot of that is due to the politics of the region - in other words, they don't have to make bad wine. And that Rkatsiteli? There's a lot of it planted. Some was brought over to the US by Dr. Konstantin Frank to upstate New York and they are making a decent wine from it. Do you need to rush out to get some? No but drink it if you get it. Not bad at all.

England? Yeah right. I have some Pinot Noir (what else) from there. Who would know if it's bad? After all, it's Pinot Noir! It's SUPPOSED to taste like that! There really isn't a reason they can't make good Chardonnay - they have the same chalk cliffs that make up the soil you find in Champagne, minus the garbage dump. (If you like that of course.) 

But for centuries, England imported wine. Why? Because they were smart enough to realize that they couldn't make their own. Now, thanks to various reviewers, we should be happy to get wine made in England?

Lodi? Never heard of it. Never had any Zin from there either. Thank god they finally planted some Primitivo!

 

 

 

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Reply by dmcker, Feb 25, 2015.

Oh, the hell of wanting to be a wine journalist. Take a passel of old things you stumble across without realizing others have decades or more ago, think of a twist (whether true or not), and throw them out there as something new. It's all about 'aggregating' anyway, isn't it? At least with Bloomberg readership scans all items in a nanosecond, takes action or not, and moves on, even when it comes to the all-important 'numbers', much less feature fluff like this. Nobody dwells, so not a problem where someone will stop to say 'bah humbug!'

Case in Viriginia is a laugh. He had so much funny money to burn back in the '90s that he could've bought all the empty fields in the state for planting in every grape variety from aglianico to xynomavro and zinfandel to see what might actually work. He had to have something to do since once he bluffed Time Warner into that merger there was no longer real work for him.

Etc., etc. across all those locales. I'm sure OT and NG and Fox (and even I) have never been to or drunk the products of winemakers in Lodi!

JD, every one of those sites was discussed even here on Snooth back at the end of last decade. Doubt the writer has been to the sites her(?)self, anyway. Just regurgitating bits and drabs she's read about from others. Remarkable how convenient a Net connection and Google can be. Some still think spending a few minutes looking something up is some arcane ritual unknown to the masses.

Still, keep 'em coming! I assume you realize by now that our collective intelligence here on these boards is greater than 95%+ of those people trying to make a living out of wine writing...  ;-)

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Reply by dvogler, Feb 25, 2015.

Hey JD,

None of this was a personal putdown!  It's always interesting to see things, regardless of value.  I think what you meant was that actually trying some of these wines could be a worthwhile pursuit.  Any of us would try anything once!  I tried a wine from Moldova that was poison, but if Greg said, well here's another that is "supposed" to be good, sure I'd try it!

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Reply by outthere, Feb 25, 2015.

...you won't believe what happens next!

DM, you are using the term journalist lightly I suppose? Modern internet news is garbage. Anyone with a keyboard and Word Press can write something that looks halfway decent but is chock full of worthless regurgitation and X is the new A articles. Just follow the next 25 slides so we can get our advertiser clicks and get paid for wasting your time with this garbage, Having a byline does not make one a journalist. Just because you have never heard of it before does not make it new to the rest of the World. Well..., yes it does I guess. Ugh.

A Hipsters guide to what I am supposed to like this year if I want to fit in.

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Reply by JonDerry, Feb 25, 2015.

No worry DV, did you think I expected you all to ooh and ahh about a Bloomberg Whats new in wine article?   A very predictable outcome here, and not in a bad way. Just something to generate discussion.

It was another reminder for me to look in to Australia, though I never do. New Zealand too, though it wasn't mentioned here. That South England is becoming Champagne North due to global warming is both funny and interesting, depending on who you talk to, maybe both.

The Tokaji ascertion is one that I might make, though I don't wish it to become popular or commercialized, the investment happening there I haven't heard about.

The rest, mostly novelties, including Virginia. Alright, time for some coffee.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Feb 25, 2015.

That was a land speed record for thread drift.  From Wine Regions to hating on Trump to a critique of modern journalism... I think I will repost this with a byline and get some new followers.  In the spirit of fair use--I swear this isn't theft--I offer the following critique of the Internet world:

Patricia Kluge is a great example of how to make $6.5 million in the wine business--start with $25 million. 

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Reply by JonDerry, Feb 25, 2015.

I smiled as I posted this last night Fox, though after a nice glass of Vosne Romanee I guess I would be...anyway, kind of like laying a trap overnight.

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Reply by dmcker, Feb 25, 2015.

"That was a land speed record for thread drift." 

I thought everything was specifically to the point, even to JD's ulterior motive, before your Twitter/LinkedIn graphic, Fox!

;-)

 

And JD, if you haven't tried wines from 'The Yarra' you should, as well as many other parts of Oz...

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Reply by dvogler, Feb 25, 2015.

Okay, now you admit it JD!  And I was trying to be sort of nice :)

You hit it perfectly when you said New Zealand.  They make some really good wine, but again, not much of the great stuff gets to North America.  If they increase their production, via more wineries/vineyards, I suspect they could legitimately be a bigger player. 

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Reply by GregT, Feb 26, 2015.

The Tokaji ascertion is one that I might make, though I don't wish it to become popular or commercialized, the investment happening there I haven't heard about.

When I see you in April please remind me to explain this to you. I've had several wine people, including MWs tell me about this.

Of course they know none of the individuals or the politics.

Ask yourself this question - if Trump was able to buy an estate for a fraction of what it cost the owner and it was a winery in Virginia, which has absolutely no credibility in the larger wine world, why does the EU need to pour such an immense amount of money into a small region that is one of the oldest and most storied regions on the planet but that has no coherent strategy for marketing itself, that is riven by internecine strife, that has lots of people willing to cash out of failed investments, and that has no plan for how the money is going to be distributed?

Wouldn't a guy like Trump be a buyer here? Or his Hungarian equivalent? (And I know a few who were indeed buyers.)

And why is the EU giving the money to the person who is a holdover from the communist era and who runs the remnant of the state collective that puts out the equivalent of jug wine while simultaneously acting as the head of the producer's association to accept this money?

But of course, the "journalists" who write about this stuff in Decanter or online would certainly know better.

If there were value options here, the Trumps would be hovering, as they were in 1990. Hungary is a small country. Is Tokaj really the best place to invest?

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Reply by JonDerry, Feb 26, 2015.

Sorry to hear the communist holdover is getting paid, however I hear it's just a political mess over there so not too surprising, hopefully it's just a means to an end and is better in practice than it sounds. Looking forward to trying a few and talking about it more in depth. Will see what I can source. As for the Vega (Unico), thinking '99 or maybe rolling the dice with a '73?

DV, as for NZ, I'm interested in trying their Pinot Noir and other reds.

 

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Reply by GregT, Feb 26, 2015.

I'll fill you in on the details.

All of the PN I've ever had from NZ put together aren't the equivalent of a 99 or 73 VS. Used to taste a lot of NZ wines. Not knocking them - I had decent Pinot Gris, Gwertz, and others. But still.

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Reply by dmcker, Feb 26, 2015.

JD, look out for Pyramid Valley. It was the first NZ PN that made me sit up straight. Ignore ignoramuses with names like Greg-PN-T! Though in general they have some ways still to go, I like the PNs a lot better than the sauvignon blancs.

Regardless of the above, I'll take both of those VSs with no complaint. 

If you're looking to feed him drinks, make sure there're plenty of PNs on the sideboard...  ;-)

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Reply by dvogler, Feb 26, 2015.

"used to taste a lot of NZ wines...."

When Eisenhower was president?

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Feb 26, 2015.

I've had some nice cheap PN from NZ, but nothing that stood out.  If I'm not drinking PN for the Burgundy snob effect, then RRV, Carneros and SLH might as well be my reference points, with a does of Oregon as well.  I haven't brought myself to learn the terroir of NZ, especially since I'm not running out to drink more of their SB. 

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Reply by JonDerry, Feb 26, 2015.

Worth exploring Fox, at least just for kicks from what I hear. Lots of good options in the $50-60 range...now I'd really be interested to how they compare to the IPOB kids in that price range.

Don't worry D, there will be a Burgundy side board, another gent who's keen on it plans to bring an H Lignier Clos de la Roche ('97), though I wish he'd bring a 91, 93, or 99. The common thread for all of us though is a love of Tokaji.

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Reply by GregT, Feb 27, 2015.

DV - I don't think there even was a NZ wine industry during Ike's heyday. Of course there wasn't a me either, so I guess I have a kind of kinship with NZ wine!

A group of producers used to come through to educate the trade and find some importers and they'd pour a couple hundred wines. That's what I was referring to. It's also where I got my comeuppance. I told a guy how useless I thought Pinot Gris was and three days later I was tasting some from NZ that was actually pretty good. It's what happens when your mouth works faster than your brain.

Anyhow they make a lot of whites that are quite nice. Some reds too - I have a few bottles of Merlot that I wanted to keep for a few years to see how they turn out. Syrah is interesting. It's a completely unique take. Not like any I've had from Sonoma, Napa, France, Australia or anywhere. Which is why Syrah is such a great grape.

Serious thread drift here.

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Reply by JonDerry, Feb 27, 2015.

Well this way we came up with our own next biggest thing, NZ Syrah, and Pinot. 

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Reply by dmcker, Feb 27, 2015.

NZ pinot ain't new. Posted TNs on it years ago (back when I used to do that) even on this site.

Now Kiwi syrah might be worth a gander...

It is interesting to remember that only five years ago on these boards many were commenting on how syrah had been overplanted in California, in oh-so-many places not suited to it, and that its future was bleak...

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