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Snooth User: Philip James

Whats up with Sake?

Posted by Philip James, Apr 3, 2008.

I'm on the fence. I think i like it, maybe not warm, but some of them chilled are very nice. Just wish I knew more without having to immerse myself as I dont have the time. Apart from wikipedia does anyone have any suggestions of what I can read, and how I can build an appreciation?

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Reply by SusieJ, Apr 4, 2008.

I have Sake, Pure + Simple (http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-978...), but as I've not read another book on sake, I can't say speak to its relative quality.

Many sake brands sell in small bottles (250ml? can't remember), making tasting a variety easier. I usually buy my sake at Mitsuwa in Edge Hill, NJ.

I've also found What to Drink with What You Eat (http://www.powells.com/biblio/1-978...) very helpful , although I can't remember its recommended pairing for sake other than with sashimi (but not rice).

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Reply by Philip James, Apr 4, 2008.

It only pairs Sake with sashimi? Thats a tad limiting, apart from the odd take out its not like i ever sashimi my own fillets of fish. What pairs with sushi then?

Its not like the sushi rice actually tastes of much anyway.

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Reply by Philip James, Apr 4, 2008.

i'll take a look at the book though, thanks!

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Reply by Chris Carpita, Apr 4, 2008.

Sake is a wonderful treat warm, better than hot chocolate sometimes. I don't know anything about it, why am I writing this?

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Reply by SusieJ, Apr 4, 2008.

For Philadelphia's cherry blossom festival, there will be a Sake Fest at Loews hotel next Wednesday (the 9th) from 6 to 8:30, $55, http://www.sakefest.com Benefits the Japan American Society of Greater Philadelphia.

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Reply by SusieJ, Apr 4, 2008.

@Phillip: sashimi was the only thing I remembered. The book and I were not in the same county when I wrote that.

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Reply by gr, Apr 5, 2008.

@Philip, I'm surprised at pairing sake with sashimi... on definitely doesn't pair anything alcoholic with sushi. Green tea is best. (Anything more and you wouldn't be able to discern the flavor of the rice, which is what you're supposed to care about with maki and nigiri.)

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Reply by Philip James, Apr 5, 2008.

There are certainly some lighter sake's that i dont think would be overly dominant, but i get the inference - sashimi and sushi rice is very delicate, you dont want to blow that flavor away.

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Reply by Philip James, Apr 7, 2008.

I've rated 787 wines, but only 5 sake's: http://www.snooth.com/my-wines/Phil...

I think its time to go grab a few bottles - if anyone has any suggestions that I can find in a store near me (Astor or Union Square Wines), I'll be sure to give them a whirl.

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Reply by Philip James, Apr 8, 2008.

ok, i grabbed a few sake's from the store today - reviews to come soon. One was a Jumanji (spelling?), the other one was cloudy and slightly fizzy, which sounded intriguing.

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Reply by ahall, Apr 8, 2008.

Philip- Nagori is usually unfiltered and cloudy. Its sometimes sweeter than junmai, and it pairs very well with most Japanese foods. The best education about sake, at least for me, comes from the owners of a sake restaurant/bar. The owners or bartenders tend to know more information about their product than books do.

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Reply by Philip James, Apr 8, 2008.

OK, this is the cloudy one: http://www.snooth.com/wine/poochi-p...

It looks like the Hello Kitty of Sake's, but we'll see how it tastes.

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Reply by Philip James, Apr 9, 2008.

OK, i tried the cloudy sake (maybe Nagori according to ahall). Here's my review: http://www.snooth.com/wine/poochi-p...

Honestly its pretty sparse, I wasnt really sure what to write, and when i got to saying it had a rice-y taste i realized I was going nowhere. Ive a few more in the fridge so will let you know how they go.

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Reply by Philip James, Apr 11, 2008.

I just came across this: http://www.urbansake.com/

Actually i'd seen it before, but never really stopped by long. Its been totally redesigned and is a very slick looking blog now.

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Reply by SusieJ, Apr 15, 2008.

GR and I went to Sake Fest. Most memorable events: the catgirl, octopus salad from Fork, Gekkikan sake cocktails (a mohito and something with pineapple juice -- I'm happy to say I identified both the mint and the pineapple), crisp and fruity bubbly sakes, and best of all: dinner at the unfortunately named Lolitas on S. 13th.

Unable to READ the labels, it was very hard to orient myself as to what I was tasting. I can't read French, but I can read the difference between Moet and Chandon, and Chandon, or cote du rhone and burgundy. I eventually settled into a plan of tasting each table's cloudy sake to be able to compare apples to apples. At one table I just worked my way through four of their dryer sakes. (Turns out my cooking sake -- Fu Ki -- is dry. Who knew?)

Honestly, I'd rather buy a few bottles and taste at home: easier to get to the sake, easier to compare.

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Reply by Philip James, Apr 16, 2008.

Susie - I'm a die hard and so force myself to write down a review of every wine i try, its pretty awkward at social events, but people have gotten used to it. Tastings, where you'd think it should be easy, are often hard too, and I'm amazed at when the servers act surprised when i begin writing down the wine name - what do they think i'm there for? there are easier ways to get wasted

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Reply by Mark Angelillo, Apr 16, 2008.

I've confused friends aplenty when I start fishing out a pen and paper at the dinner table.

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Reply by amour, Jan 2, 2010.

Trust me PHILIP....I DO FIND WHAT I WANT...IN LIFE AND ON SNOOTH!!!!!
I AM INTERESTED IN LEARNING ABOUT THE GREATEST SAKE if only because every now and then I feel an urge !!!! for JAPANESE FOOD and will pay in gold for a glass of the best that pairs with it !!!!!!
I CANNOT RECALL ALL THE ONES I HAVE TRIED IN THE EAST AND THE USA AND EUROPE...but I did have expensive and medium priced (heated, as well as room temperature) and honestly found that the higher priced ones were so much nicer.

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Reply by WoodWinters, Feb 4, 2010.

I'd love to know more about Sake ... I tasted with a group of judges at the International Wine Challenge last year and was absolutely amazed by the diversity of flavours encountered in just a few rounds ... Like Philip, I am slightly concerned by how much time it could take up! My resolution for 2010 is to list at least a few so I'll read all the comments with interest. Cheers!

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Reply by amour, Feb 5, 2010.

We seem to have two SAKE threads at this time!
The more, the merrier!

Tell me more and more about the thing...SAKE, please!

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