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Where to 'retire'?

Posted by dmcker, May 26, 2016.

Another clear comparison between Napa and Sonoma, which explains yet again why for some time now so much more interesting winemaking is going on in the latter. Think I'd be growing zin rather than cab on my hypothetical wine estate.

 

Now to chase down data on the Santa Cruz Mountains and Santa Barbara County...

 

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Reply by JonDerry, May 26, 2016.

I'd be happy with 5 acres planted if think, probably Santa Barbara makes sense for me, but I'd like primo land and I'm not really a Syrah guy, so what to plant? Nebbiolo like the Fox? Maybe Mourvèdre with a bit of Syrah mixed in. Pinot Noir Rose for fun, and a few barrels of Chard perhaps.

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Reply by dmcker, May 26, 2016.

My selection of zin over cab was because of the 3x price of Rutherford over Healdsburg demonstrated in the chart. I prefer more laid back Sonoma, anyway.

10 acres previously planted and harvestable, 5 new acres to mess with does sound like an easy amount. Enough leeway to play around, but not too much so it becomes more intense work. I've managed multiple 25 acre plots of other fruits and vegetables and that size starts entailing a different level of effort. Obviously depends on how much help you have.

Santa Barbara might be my first choice, too, if it was only retirement and I didn't need to access any business connections in the Bay Area. Varietals would depend on where the plot was. There's a hill just north of Ventura at the start of the Rincon known locally as Taylor's Ranch, which my grandfather proposed years ago as the site for the newest Cal State that instead went to Camarillo, I believe. I know people doing plenty of avocados there (and I did some a bit northwest, 1/3 of the way up the road from Carpinteria towards Lake Casitas and Ojai). Have always wondered how grapes might do there. Though that is a bit far from some of the other amenities Santa Barbara offers...

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Reply by JonDerry, May 26, 2016.

Just recently took the family to lake Casitas for a little fishing, such a nice area and really remote for only being 80 miles north of us. Yeah, I could definitely picture it. Would have to explore a bit more up there, weighing against SB, but like the proximity and the upgrade from Santa Clarita.

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Reply by rckr1951, May 27, 2016.

Why not start a Snooth Vineyards Retirement Village with a part of the HOA fees to vineyard management. People could volunteer for harvest,, a vote could be taken for winemaker and then......

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Reply by JonDerry, May 27, 2016.

I like the idea if it were comprised of active members of the forum, but it would have to be named something totally different. One the main problems being, we'd all have to live relatively close by.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, May 27, 2016.

Anyone wants to buy into my vineyard, it's a business, but there's going to be a "partner's home" on the site.  Business plan is being developed.  But it's not retirement. Particulars need to remain on the down low, but the chief varietal is now out in the open.  The location will be driven by that:  The point is to prove that you can grow great nebbiolo outside Piemonte.  Strict rules about how the wine is made--gotta be aged in botte, barriques only for topping juice.  Researched the geology of a couple of places already.

Anyway, D, are you seriously thinking about coming back to the states anytime soon and leaving the rat race, or the part of it you are in, behind?  Don't beat around the bush, now. And you can grow Cab in DCV successfully, you just can't, and don't need to, charge as much.  You could also go the Verite route, looking at Knights Valley or Alexander Valley, purchase grapes from elsewhere to blend with your estate wines.  I do agree that DCV is nicer to live in than Alexander Valley, but prices are climbing and climbing there, too. 

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Reply by outthere, May 27, 2016.
 
"I like the idea if it were comprised of active members of the forum, but it would have to be named something totally different."
 
...or else people would be driving by dumping their garbage every day.
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Reply by zufrieden, May 27, 2016.

I cannot imagine you retiring at all, D. (not really, anyway).  But if you should find that Shangri-la of retirement locales that include fine wine and the prospect of vines, well, I may join you there.  We are here but for a short time, so let's make it a good time...

Z.

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Reply by dmcker, May 28, 2016.

"..or else people would be driving by dumping their garbage every day."

ROFLMAO.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, May 31, 2016.
"I like the idea if it were comprised of active members of the forum, but it would have to be named something totally different."
 
...or else people would be driving by dumping their garbage every day.
 
And complaining about their wine-induced leg cramps. 
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Reply by JonDerry, May 31, 2016.

Glad you could appreciate that Fox...

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Reply by Really Big Al, May 31, 2016.

If we were to move back to California, I think Monterey or Carmel would be our choice.  However, we are very happy here in Virginia.  

 

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Reply by Richard Foxall, May 31, 2016.

JD, I appreciated OT's comment as well as your point.  Of course, I also don't want to live in WBTown, where you can't get some flamers to shut up. 

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Reply by JonDerry, May 31, 2016.

Very true, there is no Eutopia of wine discussion, though at times we've come pretty close here.

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, May 31, 2016.

So that's where my leg cramps are coming from then?

Umbria is the place. For a million you can buy a winery and a village, updates required.

 

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Reply by outthere, May 31, 2016.

Bar soap Greg. Bar soap.

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Reply by Gregory Dal Piaz, May 31, 2016.

I will try that. My current remedy, which also works in mysterious fucking ways, are mustard packets. Keep them by the bed, when the cramp hits grab one and squeeze into your mouth. Bingo. No more cramp. Of course your mouth is now filled with mustard so it's debatable which is actually worse. 

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Reply by dmcker, May 31, 2016.

Oh, how we've missed you, Greg! Mustard dribbling then drying on the chin all night, what a picture!

And do the inhabitants' labors come with that village purchase, or must the owner subsidize all social welfare, etc. for them?

Umbria does sound good and parts of it are quite beautiful even if all those dirt roads play hell with rentacar undercarriages.

Still I'd probably favor the scenery in the Santa Cruz mountains or Santa Barbara.

How about northern Italy, or the south? Puglia's probably a *lot* cheaper, but then you'd have to be in Puglia a lot of the time, rather than just visiting.  ;-(

I was thinking of Sardinia, the Aeolians, Gozo, Greece or even Mallorca at various times in the past...

 

Interesting that everyone picked up on the retirement thrust of this thread, but not on the 3x multiple for Napa vs. Sonoma costs issues.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jun 1, 2016.

D, OT and I live out here, the 3x multiple is well known to us.  The idea of you retiring and actually showing up at an offline is far more novel.

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Reply by dmcker, Jun 1, 2016.

We've talked here many times about the problems ensuing from Napa's high land prices. I thought a specific ratio might add perspective. It wasn't so much for you, Fox, and OT (and me since I've tracked prices there for more than 15 years), but our newest member from the cold of the upper Midwest was saying just recently how he was seeing more reference to good winemaking in Sonoma these days. Obviously this data point has something to do with it.

Now as an early retirement option for somebody who wants to invest less initially and put in more effort, here's a variation on GDP's Umbrian proposal.

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