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Snooth User: Degrandcru

Which country do YOU drink the most of...

Posted by Degrandcru, Jun 19, 2010.

Almost first half of 2010 pasted by and its time to run some statistics, what did I drink so far this year:

Mexico: 40 bottles

Spain: 28 bottles

Argentina: 12 bottles

Chile: 11 bottles

Italy: 7 bottles

France: 5 bottles

Germany: 3 bottles

USA: 3 bottles

Portugal: 2 bottles

Thats what I drank at home so far this year and doesn't consider wines consumed at restaurants, at friends house or at tastings.

Actually it was quite a surprise, I would have never thought that I'd consume that much mexican wine, I would have thought that my comsumption on Spanish and Italian wines would have been higher... but thats the numbers. So what about you? As this forum is mostly frequented by Americans I guess your consumption on US bottles is way higher then mine. So lets compare what the Snooth members drink.

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Reply by s0y p0p, Jun 19, 2010.

I actually drink less... it's pretty much split up between US and Chilean for me. On occasion I run into a Peruvian wine or Spanish, but they generally end up as presents.


Also, if I really like a wine, I make fruit reductions with them.... and since most of my bottles are <$30, I don't finish the actual bottle.


*exclusion for champange.... it French thus I only drink French.

Reply by dmcker, Jun 19, 2010.

Interesting question.

Looks like you're on a 20-bottle-a-month pace at home, DeGrand. I'm a little less than that right now at about 15 (3-4 a week, though that's an average and there are busy weeks and slack weeks).

This was a busy week. Yesterday was one bottle of South African chenin blanc, and two of Spanish Cava (mostly converted to Bellinis). Raki later with a Turkish meal, and a good Islay single malt at the end of the evening, but these don't count since they ain't wine. The day before was four from France, one a Rhone viognier, one a Cahors malbec, one a Mercurey pinot and one a good Fitou C9dP-type blend (the most popular bottle of the night; the viognier the least).  Both of these days were with company. Earlier in the week, alone or with one other, there was one bottle of French Bordeaux blend, one bottle of Italian sangiovese and one bottle of Californian pinot noir.

Considering that I live in Tokyo and what's available, this is a fairly average distribution by locale. All of these wines were from local merchants, and none from my cellar. On weeks where I pull  from my cellar there will be more California, Oregon and Washington represented, more Italy, and the occasional bottle from the Antipodes (Oz and NZ).

Without having counted every bottle consumed this year my guess would be:

35-40% French (other than Alsace)

15% Spanish and Portuguese

15% Italian

5% German and Alsatian and Austrian

15-20% US

5% Antipodes

5% Others (South America, South Africa, Greece, etc.)


Reply by Degrandcru, Jun 20, 2010.


5% Antipodes??? You have to excuse me, but antipodes is not in my limited english vocabulary. What does that mean?

Yes, about 20 bottles a month at home, but it increased a lot since I have a little boy. Just not worth it anymore to go out and pay big bucks without really enjoying it, because the little one prefers to play with the tableware. So lately I prefer cooking at home, which has the nice side effect to enjoy better wine for less money.

So you count alsatian wine together with German wine. Interesting, I kind of do, but don't tell the French about it.

Reply by John Andrews, Jun 20, 2010.

This is easy for me ... 

  • 90% US of which 90% is California of which 90% is Napa/Sonoma
  • 10% rest of the world 

I live and work in the Napa & Sonoma area, plus I get industry discount at most wineries.  The numbers speak. :-) 

Reply by dmcker, Jun 21, 2010.

Degrand, 'Antipodes' and Antipodean is a phrasing popular with the English back in Victorian days when they were talking about those remote specks on the far end of the earth where they sent their prisoners: Australia and New Zealand...

John, branch out! And then feed back the ensuing dissatisfaction with California excesses to the winemakers you encounter... ;-)

Reply by John Andrews, Jun 21, 2010.

@d ... I'm trying but those damn bordeaux prices are just too high!  Okay, I do drink a bunch of argentinan Malbec, and I love wine from Campania and my love of Champagne is well known ... so I do drink out of California but not as much as I do in.  

Reply by dynowine, Jun 21, 2010.

I had some training in wine appreciation in the last three years and now I keep gravitating to medium-priced French or Italian wines ($10 to $20), usually from the French Sud but now, sadly for my wallet, I'm becoming attracted to Bordeaux and some Burgundy/Alsace.  Probably 65% of my bottle consumption are French, and 50% from southeast France.  

As a Californian I'm sorry to admit that a non-trivial share of California wines now seem a bit one-dimensional or excessively fruity or unbalanced to me (three years ago I would only drink Californian or South American wines and disliked European).  Some Calif. wines are just gems, and some surprise me with their depth and complexity, but many that compete well with French or Italian wines in my desired quality range seem to cost the same (or more).

All this said, I shop at a retailer that is very good at finding European bargains, stellar wine for $10 or $15 or $20, and likes to promote them (think the 2007 Rhones).  So that's influenced me too.

In the film "Mondovino", a French vineyard owner said Americans have yet to unlock their terroir.  I hope we do soon so we can produce our own unique wines special to their place of origin.   Without all the DO legal constraints of course.



Reply by Girl Drink Drunk, Jun 21, 2010.

I drink mostly Italian juice, with maybe 20% French, 5% California and 5% "other".

Reply by corskier, Jun 21, 2010.

I'm probably around 45% US, 35% Australia & New Zealand, 5% Spain, 5% Italy, 5% Spain, 5% other new world countries.

I've gone through a few swings where those numbers were in great flux.  When I was working in a winery in Oregon, my OR wine intake, was probably 85% of the total yearly (similar reasons as HondaJohn).  When I found out that California wineries encouraged so much trade, my CA wine intake jumped up as I came back from any trip south with a case or two of great wine.  This year I've been focusing on bringing the average price per bottle down and finding great affordable wines.  I also found that Grocery Outlet has a wine selection that rivals any major supermarket chain in selection and price!

Reply by dmcker, Jun 21, 2010.

So Corskier, that's '0' from France?

Reply by Degrandcru, Jun 21, 2010.

And a total of 10% from Spain??

Reply by corskier, Jun 21, 2010.

That second 5% is supposed to be from France.  That's what I get for typing without thinking :)  I love white burgundy and CdP, but I just haven't had much this last year.

Reply by JRomeo, Jun 21, 2010.

Hmmm. Great question. This year my totals are: 30% Italian; 25% California; 25% Chile/Argentina; 10% French; 10% others (New Zealand/Hungary/Washington State). Stay tuned..that could change. ;)

Reply by zufrieden, Jun 21, 2010.

Just for fun, I took a 65 bottle sample of the last 8 months (does not count tastings):

France - 30

Italy - 10

Australia - 8

Canada - 5

Argentina - 4

USA  - 3

Germany - 3

Spain - 1

Greece - 1

By the way, this does not necessarily reflect my "long-run" favorites - only what I feel like tasting at the moment.  For example, I usually drink more German and Italian wines.  But the French bias is a real one, I'm afraid.



Reply by Degrandcru, Jun 21, 2010.

Thats exactly the fun of these statistics, seeing where your focus is at the moment and how it changes over time. For example, if I look at my purchasing in 2010:

Spain 60

Mexico 48

Italy 15

Argentina 15

Chile 12

France 4

Portugal 3


Lebanon 2

Hungary 2

Germany 2

South Africa 1 (my world cup bottle)

So Mexio lost out to Spain and Italy gained ground. Why? Two reasons, first I have a new cellar and watch what I can lay down for a while and second Italy and Spain are the focus of my attention right now... but quoting JRomeo "Stay tuned... that could change"

Ah... what a wonderful world of wine to explore...

Reply by dmcker, Jun 21, 2010.

Are you buying solely from local merchants, Degrand, or also online?

Reply by VegasOenophile, Jun 21, 2010.

It's been a huge mix, but since I went to Napa in April, I think CA would edge out to be the highest number.  France would likely be second for me.  New Zealand third.

Reply by Degrandcru, Jun 22, 2010.

@dmcker: from local merchants and directly from some importers. Nothing online, as online sales is not common in Mexico and I wouldn´t trust the delivery services. What about you in Tokyo?

Reply by dmcker, Jun 22, 2010.

Half and half. If I had to stick only to local merchants my bills would be much higher and selection much less. Online makes a huge difference, and delivery is very reliable here.

Reply by StevenBabb, Jun 22, 2010.

wow.... i need to drink more.... natalie has me on a "more days off than on" drinking schedule.....

natalie tends to lean more towards whites than reds, so i've been buying different white varietals from all diferent regions... alsatian gewrtz... chilean chard (los vascos....i've been on a "buying all things basque" kick as of late...even from chile and before i get a reply about how the basque country is not in chile, i know this, but also know that during global exploration, the basques settled in pretty large numbers in central and south amarica)....txacolina from the basque country in spain.... cava.... riesling from washington.... vouvray from the loire... had a delicious chateanuf at the fifth floor... and i love a nice pedro ximenez with dessert or as dessert.... i LOVE grabel vineyards chard.... if anyone can get their hands on it, imho, best chard in cali....(natalie used to work with michael grabel, and we would get cases from him, but really hard to get stuff, coming out of knights valley in the norhtern end of sonoma) but i also like sonoma cutrer, les piers or sonoma coast... but they've lost a bit since they sold out....

i guess i'm really drinking u.s., france, and spain mostly... sprinkle in some south american here and there.... not too much from nz/australia, just not into the really tropical, right now anyway....

and i'm sure i'll meat some criticism, but i don't consume much from italy... not sure why....

i like dr. loosen.... so if i can find anything from him, from any region...

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