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Wine Pairing with 08 Nov 2016 Election Night

Original post by Really Big Al, Nov 8, 2016.

The election is over but the fun continues!  How far can our country be dragged down by 'fake news' and 'alternative facts'?  You be the judge...

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Reply by JonDerry, Jan 11, 2017.

Thanks for the alert D, you had my wife and I up late looking in to the memo's. I didn't catch the press conference this morning, so not sure what it all means.

I did get to listen and watch most of the Rex Tillerson hearing, and came away fairly impressed with him. He seems an obvious upgrade over Kerry.

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Reply by Richard Foxall, Jan 11, 2017.

Impressive?  Wrong answer on what he thought about a Muslim registry. 

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Reply by dmcker, Jan 11, 2017.

Perhaps the most compromised election in my lifetime, including the first George Jr. win?

We are certainly living in interesting times. Anyone want to predict how this plays out over the coming year? British sources are all panning the Hairdo's pressconference, quite nastily.

Sowing dissension and doubt? Working so far. Who will be the Le Carre who writes up this compleat Intelligence Op by Putin that takes what by many accounts should be a 3rd-rate country and keeps it back in The Game, while humbling the 1st-rate and keeping 19th-century Great Power politics going?

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Reply by outthere, Jan 11, 2017.

The Brits are pissed because Trump dissed the BBC. There was a back and forth between Trump and a Buzzfeed reporter trying to ask a question. Trump kept telling him he's not a real news source and the guy kept asking his question. This went on for probably a full minute back and forth. After that the next guy introduced  himself as being from the BBC. Donald said "You guys aren't much better." 

I don't see how long we can go on with a leader who has absolutely no tact whatsoever. Couple that with a vocabulary of maybe 100 words, 90% of them adjectives and we have an adult who acts like a 12yr old.

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Reply by dmcker, Jan 11, 2017.

He always has. What did the people who voted for him think they would be getting?? More pertinent now, how isolated are his handlers from reality? And we know he's flexible as a worn out flipflop on matters of principle, but will he listen and learn?

Also, why is he still involved in his companies' business deals, whether involving Dubai or anyone/anywhere else? Does no one understand the conflicts here who can persuade him he can't just try to wave questions away with a smirk? Can't help but already be thinking about what are impeachable offenses.

The typical British mainstream print press header goes like this:  'Trump's trainwreck press conference ushers in a clueless presidency'. Other backup stories include 'Barack Obama's farewell speech: 'President ends his leadership with urgent and fearful warning about the state of American democracy', and then milder items all over the place like 'Donald Trump attacks alleged Russian dossier as 'fake news' and slams Buzzfeed and CNN at press conference'. Nice quotes like "We could compare the relative importance of being Putin's poodle versus sex with an intern, but what's the point? After all, Trump can make the case better than any of us" or "If this is Trump's playbook for crisis management, his political opponents should sit back and enjoy the show" peppered throughout. The Guardian I can understand, but The Telegraph getting this shirty already speaks volumes.

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Reply by Really Big Al, Jan 12, 2017.

At that press conference on 11 Jan (yesterday), I believe it was a CNN reporter that Trump wouldn't take a question from - calling them 'fake news'.  Trump is the one who introduced fake news, fake facts and general BS to this past election cycle.  I don't think he even knows what the truth is anymore, as he is living in a fantasy world where he is king.  

I hope he is impeached before he can do too much damage to our country.  I certainly look forward towards his failure as President.  He is already a failure as a businessman.

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Reply by JonDerry, Jan 12, 2017.

Well said.

I'm waiting for the financial markets to start getting nervous.

There was some downward pressure earlier this morning that has steadied over the last couple of hours off the lows of today. I read a fidelity headline this morning which quoted a financial expert as saying "people are rethinking yesterday's press conference"...but stocks are up a good 10% from the ominous Dow futures ticker on election night. I just sold a good chunk of my mom's individual portfolio that will trigger a hefty tax bill in 2018, but it feels better to be in cash right now. 

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Reply by rckr1951, Jan 12, 2017.

RBA - A quick question.  So Pence is the better option to you? The Dems can stall and infuriate Trump into a temper tandrum for the whole world to see. Which they will for sure - then let the outcry impeach him.

Pense is more of a true fiscal conservative and is more in line with Ryan, who would be,if your senario held true, bring the defacto head of government.  Then the democrats would have a real problem - popular enough with them, he's garnered enough votes to help Obama out,  to be a force to be recjoned with with.

There are enough repubs with cooler heads that I hope will temper his go out with a volley routine.  I'm praying that we can outlast him 4 years and be done with him.  Problem is this - what if he pulls it off? There's not enough toilet paper in my bathroom.

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Reply by dmcker, Jan 30, 2017.

Perhaps we can keep this as the Trump-commentary thread?

Any bets, with wine as the preferred currency, on a timeframe for impeachment

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Reply by jackwerickson, Jan 30, 2017.

Would be happy to make a wine bet let me know what your timeframe is.

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Reply by rckr1951, Jan 30, 2017.

Sounds like good idea since this election oriented anyway.

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Reply by JonDerry, Jan 30, 2017.

Finally, the market is reacting a bit. Down about 1% this morning. 

The women's March was one thing, but this travel ban has really ratcheted up the blow back. Folks had already been used to the "We're going to build a Wall" talk, but tearing family's apart at a moments notice, as we see, really hits people.

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Reply by rckr1951, Jan 30, 2017.

Agreed - I don't think this was properly thought out in it's complexity.  Hopefully the courts and the legislative branch can smooth out the rough edges properly so the goal can be attained the right way.

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Reply by dmcker, Jan 30, 2017.

The guy who wrote the Huff Post opinion piece is a Brandeis prof, from the gitgo not exactly a Trump camp follower or part of his power base. But what is that power base? Seems it may already be fragmenting since it was never solid to begin with. The article's pointers aren't false or misleading even with that different political orientation, and even if any time frame hopes may be optimistic.

So, any specific bets, with some sort of rationale?

In my view you can't truly change human nature (even if new tricks can occasionally be learned in exceptional cases, especially where a potential was already there) though it is possible to camouflage it often through misdirection, and Trump's is suited to dictatorship, not democracy. His handlers will have to be governing for him more and more and that's not a sustainable scenario.

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Reply by jackwerickson, Jan 31, 2017.

There have been several contributors indicating that Trump will be impeached still waiting on someone willing to bet on it!

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Reply by dmcker, Jan 31, 2017.

So, Jack, are you intending to plunge for or against? Odds? Your preferred timeframe?

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Reply by Stephen Harvey, Jan 31, 2017.

I think I will leave US politics to the you guys - seen enough on LinkedIn

Plus don't you need the Democrats to control something to get an impeachment

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Reply by jackwerickson, Jan 31, 2017.

I am against Trump being impeached. The statements I have seen that it will be within a year. I am willing to bet that will not happen

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Reply by jackwerickson, Jan 31, 2017.

Have a proposition we can make a bet on one year two year and three year. If he is impeached in year one I owe whatever the original bet is ,if not Impeached I can have the option to continue the bet but you have to up your end to a better win same true for third and fourth year. If I should option to continue the bet and lose you Re still entitled to the original wine we agreeded on. Would be happy to take it into his second term ,but at 80 years old I want to enjoy my wine.

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Reply by rckr1951, Jan 31, 2017.

Hell - at 80 ears old I wouldn't even be betting, I'd just be enjoying the wine.

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