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Snooth User: Really Big Al

Wine Pairing with 08 Nov 2016 Election Night

Original post by Really Big Al, Nov 8, 2016.

The election is over but the fun continues!  How far can our country be dragged down by 'fake news' and 'alternative facts'?  You be the judge...

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Reply by jackwerickson, Jan 31, 2017.

Don't disagree but just think of how good would taste if I were to win the bet. I still have time to enjoy my wines

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Reply by dmcker, Feb 2, 2017.

Impeachment may end up being a necessary catharsis if things continues as they look they might. But they'll undoubtedly need to get much worse before they can get better that way.

Perhaps more interestingly for now, how about betting on events in the corporate world that we think might anger the TweetMaster? He Tweets nasty things whereupon their stocks fall. That could be a frequent and ongoing series of bets. We could also extrapolate from there to political events and comments or actions by foreign leaders that would bring on similar TweetWrath. We could also try to tie those to market activity, of course.

Going a step further we could even strategically post fake news about overseas wine regions and winemakers we like but think are overpriced--news of the type that is likely to bring down the Tweet Meister's wrath--and do so before the news can be confirmed elsewhere. Then hope that his TweetZaps will bring the wine's prices down whereupon we get access to wine that was formerly beyond sound economic reach...  ;-)

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Reply by JonDerry, Feb 2, 2017.

CNN headline this morning, "Donald Trump Learning he is not the Messiah"

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Reply by jackwerickson, Feb 2, 2017.

At least he is learning Obama never figured out he was not the Imperial president 

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Reply by EMark, Feb 2, 2017.

Somebody, please, bring back the "Red wine causes cramps" thread.

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Reply by jackwerickson, Feb 2, 2017.

After much thought I have come to the following. It is not my intention to try to change your thoughts about Trump and his polices no more than you can change my thoughts Obama. I look at Snooth to enhance my knowledge of wines and to learn what others think of a particular wine or to learn about wines I don't currently drink I.e. Zinfidel,it is a wine I don't particularly like but based on what several of you have said about it I tried it and a primitivo still neither was to my liking. I do not think Snooth is the platform to discuss politics. I did react to statements after a week in office Trump would be impeached and am still willing to bet that will not occur.

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Reply by JonDerry, Feb 2, 2017.

Jack, we sometimes go off course here as we've come to realize it's only about a dozen or so of us that regularly contribute, and there is little to no presence of moderators so we used it as a hang out of sorts, though mostly do talk wine and related subjects. 

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Reply by rckr1951, Feb 2, 2017.

I wouldn't worry about it - I don't think the strong personalities here would be swayed either way unless they do it themselves...and would announce it themselves.  Don't leave us - by that I mean tell about those zins you tried and what it was that you didn't like about them.  

There's a lot of wine knowledge and suggestions here - join in.

EMARK - NO!

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Reply by EMark, Feb 2, 2017.

Jack, look for this: Ridge Lytton Springs

 

Technically, this is not a Zinfandel varietal bottling.  It is a field blend.  The one pictured is 2012 and its Zinfandel content is 70%.  I have seen years when the Zin content does exceed the 75% bar required for "Zinfandel" designation, but that is pretty unusual.

Ridge is, arguably, California's most famous maker of Zinfandel.  Their Lytton Springs vineyard is located in Sonoma County's Dry Creek Valley which in my view is "ground zero" for great Zinfandel.  Since this is a blend, in each vintage they get to "fool around" with different percentages of different grape varieties that are grown in the same vineyard--typically, Petite Sirah, Carignane, and Mourvedre.

Another reason I am suggesting is is because it is widely distributed and reasonably priced.  You should be able to find it in your neighborhood.

If you can find the 2013 vintage, I can tell you that it is outstanding.  I couple months ago I had the 2014.  I didn't like it as much as either the '12 or the '13.  However, a "mediocre" Ridge is still better than 95% of the other Zins out there. Since I'm sure that I'll be able to find the '14 on store shelves for several more months, I am confident that I'll be trying it, again.

If you get to try it, let us know what you think.

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Reply by jackwerickson, Feb 3, 2017.

Emark cannot find the dry Creek avaliable in Texas on wine searcher what about some of the other locations? I also noticed they have a Prmitivo assume this is just marketing.

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Reply by jackwerickson, Feb 3, 2017.

Emark went to Costco today always look at the wines ,they had a primitivo Torcicoda made by tormaresca will give it a try WA has it rated at 90

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Reply by EMark, Feb 3, 2017.

OK, I've heard that Texas can be tough.  I guess it's even hard to order directly from a winery.  Is there a Total Wine store anywhere near you?  I know they have locations in Texas, but that may or may not be helpful to you--it's a big state.  They regularly carry Ridge Zins.  If there is, in fact, a Total Wine store near youI, check them out.  If they do not have the Lytton Springs bottling, I would not hesitate to recommend  any of the other Ridge Zins--e.g., Geyserville, Pagani Ranch, Three Valleys.

I have never had a Primitivo that really snapped my carrot, but go for it and let us know.  We're always interested in hearing about good wine that we might want to try or, even, bad wine that we might want to avoid. 

My local Costco occasionally has Seghesio Sonoma County Zinfandel.  That is a pretty reliable one.  It also, usually, has a variety of Zinfandels from the Paso Robles area.  I can't say that I would recommend any of those.

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Reply by jackwerickson, Feb 3, 2017.

The owner of the wine is Antinori. Yes we have problems in Texas of buying wine out of state but only from a retailer,we can get shipments from wineries if they have registered with the state, I think we are limited to 5 gallons a month,don't know how they control that except from tax roles. I currently have 147 bottles 47% U S of which 95 % is from Washington or Oregon 37% is Italian mostly Brunello,Chianti,Barolo and Amarona 6-7%each from France or Australia. I normally drink two glasses a day. The primitivo is very dark red 14% alcohol medium tannic and acid good finish well balanced I get a hit sweetness at the end would buy again cannot compare to Zin until I get a chance to buy,yes we do have Total Wines.

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Reply by dvogler, Feb 3, 2017.

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Reply by dmcker, Feb 4, 2017.

Look, this thread is about politics, from the gitgo. If you don't want to discuss them in any way whatsoever, then stick to the other threads. We're all adults, and there's nothing wrong with hearing opposing viewpoints. People have been known to be swayed from opinions, however hidebound, and at the very least viewing concerns and more that you may not have been aware of to whatever degree is not a bad thing.

I think there is a general awareness within huge segments of the US, and certainly overseas (especially with its closest allies), that American Democracy and the relative but very considerable peace it has brought the world is facing a crisis. Whether you like that view, or not, it would seem the current President is clueless in this regard--but why wouldn't he be, looking at his career to this point? The American voting public is going to have to learn very painfully that they get what they pay for. Hopefully we may have a chance to revisit the whole electoral college mess.

Unless, that is, all you want is America to move from a Republic to an Imperium, as did the Roman Empire. I'm sure the Orange Man with the 'Do would be happy with that. One of my profs back at Berkeley who got hammered, protested and picketed by many, including me, for supporting the VietNam war very aggressively (he was a confirmed Cold Warrior coming out of an East Asia counter insurgency background after the Korean War, including advising the CIA over a lengthy period), ended up changing his views by the time he moved down to San Diego. That transition was specifically what he addressed in several books last decade before he passed at the beginning of this. I won't start talking about another very smart individual I studied with when he was visiting from MIT, Noam Chomsky. You don't have to try very hard to find his insightful viewpoints all over the Web.

Then there's the fact that wine is not some Platonic Ideal that exists off in a sterile environment away from everything else. What do you talk about when drinking the stuff with others? All sorts of things, including even politics, I imagine. Frankly, there's not much more boring to me than reading just another set of notes about the same Sonoma red that may or may not be a different vintage. To me, wine is life, or an integral part of it. Not some dryly defined set of specs engineered in a vacuum. How people can use and enjoy it is more important to me than merely whether it has darker or lighter berry flavors in it. Of course I do want to know who made it how, but how much are we really getting into that, here, these days?

Wine is arguably the most written about beverage in history. The only thing that might beat it is water. Ale and coffee and tea fall well behind. Why is that, and what has it represented to make that so? Life, various forms of altered awareness, various forms of excess (Bacchanalia, though perhaps a lot of that came from other substances, too), lots of relaxation, lots of enjoyment. And lots of talk and sharing, though probably not all that much about the wine itself and how it was made. It's a well-recognized catalyst for all sorts of things--so be it here, too, at Snooth!

It's a big world out there. Who I talk to and listen to depends a lot on who they are and what they have to say, not just about reports on details of wines that are already well known and previously reported. And no, these folks do *not* have to share my opinions. About anything. They just should have something to say. Even about politics.

For what it's worth I personally think Obama was a neophyte on the international stage--dangerously so. Much of his dithering and mistakes and very weak decision making in this context has ended up creating problems that we're yet to deal with. So I can't help but be concerned when I see things being ramped up to a whole different level with the new guy who doesn't even qualify for the word 'neophyte' and has not surrounded himself with people who will provide any positive help.

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Reply by jackwerickson, Feb 5, 2017.

Dmcker have no problem discussing politics. It was my opinion I had pissed off people by offering to make a bet on what I considered outrageous statements if that's not the case bring it.

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Reply by outthere, Feb 5, 2017.

Jack, you just need to search the right wine.

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Reply by jackwerickson, Feb 5, 2017.

Outthere Thanks I shop there so will go over there this week

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Reply by Really Big Al, Feb 5, 2017.

Jack:

Discussing politics can be fun while drinking wine - but generally only fun when both parties stick to facts, statistics and generally accepted knowledge of the world around them.  I have several friends that totally bought into lies, deceit and misinformation from the Trump campaign, and I'm not surprised that his tweeting and lies have continued into these past two weeks of his presidency.  These friends are blissfully ignorant of truth.  They don't care about the conflicts of interest as Trump posts friends and relatives to political positions where they can and will do us harm.  These friends don't see the damage already being done to our country with travel bans and a whole barrel full of executive orders.  Beyond that, there is the general badness of the GOP itself - a party that will implode at some point.  The Affordable Care Act was attacked by them because they hated Obama.  Why did they hate Obama?  Because they are old white men - and we all know that is a big part of it.  They want things to go back to the times before we had equality between races and genders.  They want to set our country back 50 years and I'm determined that isn't going to happen.  That is why I demonstrated at the Women's March on DC a few weeks ago.  

Is Trump and his minions evil?  You bet.  Will he save jobs and create new ones?  Maybe a few - by threats and intimidation.  Is he favoring Russia, did he win the election with Russia's help?  Yep.  Is he a modern day Hitler?  Yes.  Time to wake up America.

Trumps tweet, from Saturday morning after he was stopped cold with his Muslim travel ban, is something that nobody can ignore or downplay.  "The opinion of this so-called judge, which essentially takes law-enforcement away from our country, is ridiculous and will be overturned!"  Chew on that for a while.

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Reply by jackwerickson, Feb 5, 2017.

Great response but you forgot to include David Dukes and the fact we hate cats

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